[TCUG] Re: FW: zigzag markings where a layby exists
- From: Bull Peter <Peter.Bull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:20:59 -0000
The LTNs are advice and guidance - as it says on the DfT site about LTN 2/95
"This note recommends the practices to be followed when planning, designing
and installing at-grade pedestrian crossings."
In this case I think they are wrong - the Regulations, which are the
definitive legislation, clearly say that the controlled area is marked by
the edge of the carriageway, and the TSRGD also provide for an edge of
carriageway marking which is intended to mark the separation between a layby
and the carriageway.
If there was no edge of carriageway marking then the zig-zags would need to
be against the kerb, and the layby would need to be taken out of use as the
note recommends.
Peter Bull
Incidently, when I looked for LTN2/95 on the DfT's website I found that the
pdf file was "broken and could not be repaired", so I sent them an e-mail
about it. Within 7 minutes I had a response including a working copy of the
file and an undertaking to sort out the problem on their site - well done
DfT webmaster (or mistress in this case)!
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LOCAL TRANSPORT NOTE 2/95
Para 2.9.5
"It should be remembered that restrictions imposed by zig-zag markings apply
to laybys as well as the main carriageway. Any part of an affected layby,
used by general traffic, should be hatched or physically infilled to prevent
ambiguity"
Jim Buckley
Senior Road Accident Investigation Officer Development Department
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My understanding is that the zigzags should follow the kerb, ie include
the layby in the controlled zone
Dick
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Does anyone have advice on the use of zigzag markings where a layby
exists.
Chapter 5 (15.21) suggests that the marking should be laid along the
carriageway edge but applies to the layby behind the marking whereas the
TSRGD in regulation 27 talks of a "controlled area" with "a zigzag
marked
along each of it's edges" and doesn't appear to suggest that there may
be
any circumstances when it might apply outside the controlled area.
To my mind the regulations are the legal definition so I'm not sure
where
the reference in Chapter 5 comes from.
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Before you all decry my design philosophies I should point out that we
generally don't allow parking bays alongside zigzag markings - the query
arises due to some old sites where this layout exists and the Police
have
been inconsistent in their approach to parked vehicles.
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