You don't have to join the list to read the archived messages. There is probably a group of info there. > -Mark If it's an aircooled Vanagon joing the type2 list (be prepared for high volume, might want to set up a separate email address for it) and ask there. If it's watercooled try the vanagon list. I don't know what the vo0lume is like there. Type2 list instructions: http://www.type2.com/type2.html (Read the charter then click the Subscribe link at the top for instructions) Vanagon list instructions: http://www.vanagon.com/links/lists.html (IGNORE the type2 list instructions on this {very old} page) Gerald