[tcb] Re: Titling a buggy update
- From: Steve Chamberlain <steveraychamberlain@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:18:22 -0600
I have previously asked Greg from Texas Manx Club about the change in
registration of Kit cars etc. It does not directly affect buses however it
could down the line somewhere. If you are interested read on and if you are
really interested he sent me a pdf of the TxDOT Motor Vehicle Title Manual,
PM me and I will forward to you. if you are not interested just delete and
go on.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, GregR <gregr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Hopefully this email will make sense. TxDOT has released a new Motor
> Vehicle Title Manual. There is where the issue with buggies lies more so
> than registration.
> I've attached the full title manual (searchable pdf) in which you can
> search Volkswagen and see some of the issues.
>
> As far as rails, those guys might be out of luck. As far as trikes, there
> is a section that specifically states that marrying parts not intended to
> go together, i.e. a motorcycle front end and car chassis, are not to be
> titled.
>
> The fiberglass guys may have a way or 2. One is Body Change. one of the
> examples lists Meyers Manx (I would imagine other body mfgs would be good.)
> The big problem as I see it for FG or any Beetle rebody are
> inconsistencies in the manual itself. Not sure how to get those corrected.
> For example, in section 13.3 (copied below) is states that " Volkswagen
> Beetle models have a serial number located on the floor pan (frame), and
> such number is the VIN on all 1956 and later models. It repeats with more
> clarification later in section 13 (also copied below.)
>
> Then, in the body changes section (and other sections such as those
> concerning rebuilt Volkswagens and other sections, is states something like
> this "When a body change occurs on a *1956 through 1969 model Volkswagen
> Beetle* and the certificate of title covering the Volkswagen floorpan and
> chassis, including motor, is in the applicant's name or assigned to him,
> the following procedure may be used:"
>
> So what the heck? Is the serial number on the floorpan good for ALL
> Beetles or just through 69 model. This discrepancy appears in numerous
> sections.
> It seems those are the type of things that need to get corrected. Again,
> it only seems to effect FG and rebuilt Beetles and not rail or trike.
> Other sections also make life Very difficult for Cobras and Hot Rods.
>
> There is a guy on TheSamba that's quite proud he got his buggy titled with
> an MV designation. Form VTR 249 lists the designations and MV is ATV, 3
> wheeler or recreational Off Road vehicle and if I read the manual
> correctly, they are to be titled but cannot be registered for the street.
> Sounds like he got it done, but I'd like to see what happens when he renews
> with a different clerk.
>
> Below are just a couple of examples and I have attached the full manual
> too.
>
> Thanks, Hope to hear any opinions. Again, this manual effects more than
> just buggies.
> GregR
>
> 13.3 Serial Numbers
>
> On 1956 and later model motor vehicles (1949 and later model Ford
> products), the serial number of the body or frame is recognized as the
> vehicle identification number (VIN), except for Cadillacs and Volkswagens.
>
> The serial number of the frame is the principal means of identification on
> all Ford products manufactured from March 31, 1932, through the 1948-year
> models and on all 1956 through 1967-year model Cadillacs. Volkswagen Beetle
> models have a serial number located on the floor pan (frame), and such
> number is the VIN on all 1956 and later models.
> *and*
>
> Section 13-6Volkswagen BeetleVolkswagen Beetle models have a number
> located on the floor pan (frame), and this number is recognized as the VIN
> on all 1956 and later year models. The certificate of title covering such a
> floor pan (or floor pan and chassis) must remain with the floor pan and be
> used to transfer ownership. The body of these Volkswagens may be
> transferred on a bill of sale. Other Volkswagens (not Beetle models) have a
> body serial number, which is recognized as the VIN. In this case, the
> certificate of title should remain with the body and be used to transfer
> ownership.
>
> *However*
> *in Section 25-11*
>
> Body Changes Volkswagen Beetle
>
> When a body change occurs on a *1956 through 1969 model Volkswagen Beetle* and
> the certificate of title covering the Volkswagen floorpan and chassis,
> including motor, is in the applicant's name or assigned to him, the
> following procedure may be used:
>
> Note: A "Reconstructed" brand is added to the motor vehicle record and
> prints on the Title and all subsequent titles.
>
> Example 1
>
> A 1954 Chevrolet two door sedan body was installed on a 1953 Chevrolet
> frame and motor. The make, year model, and body style are obtained from the
> evidence of ownership covering the 1954 body; and the motor number is the
> same as shown on the title covering the 1953 Chevrolet frame and motor.
>
> Example 2
>
> A 1957 Chevrolet four door body was installed on a 1956 Chevrolet chassis
> frame and motor. The make, year model, body style, and VIN are the same as
> shown on the title covering the body.
>
> Example 3
> A 1970 Meyers Manx prefabricated body was installed on a 1965 Volkswagen
> floorpan, chassis, and motor. The make, year model, and body style are
> obtained from the evidence of ownership covering the body and the VIN is
> the same as shown on the Volkswagen floorpan. In the event a make
> designation is not shown on the evidence of ownership covering the body,
> the "Make" must be "Assembled", and the "Year Model" must be the year in
> which the body was installed.
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