Peter I gotta say that's what Steve said too but maybe it was more like get the he-- out of Houston and you'll be ok. We drive big 15 passenger chevy vans and almost get killed every time we go there. We have the elephant ears and I don't think they shake, I would have noticed but then again maybe they are the original ones, I've only replaced the rubber since we've owned the bus. We also had one of those truck mirrors like was pictured on our 66 deluxe black and white bus, came with it, looked awful but worked good. Denis can't you wait til the split bus show in fl - you'd be able to get some really good mirrors there. Borrow some to use for now if you need them. -----Original Message----- From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Albarian Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:29 PM To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: Mirrors Hey Denis, The purist side of me, who drove my stock '62 Bus every day for 5 1/2 years, is thinking "suck it up you pansey!". My realist side is saying I look forward to seeing you this weekend, and hope to see you around and driving Murrey for many many years. You hold the pink slip (I hope) so the choice on your Bus is yours, Peter the purist.......... BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: coocoo@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:23:03 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Mirrors I just came in from driving from Wiesenhiemer Road and 610 here in the happy town of Houston and I gotta tell you that, as I was crossing two lanes of traffic in the friggin' dark, and everyone doing 90 while I am doing a brisk 65 and I'm having to force my way into lanes because...well, it's Houston, I remembered fondly that in 1972 I was driving a 1960 bus that had these big stable vertical mirrors, called California or truck mirrors. The only knock I've ever heard about them was that you had to drill holes into you doors to install them. Well, as I am looking into the passenger side elephant ears and trying to will my brain into reading the wiggling distortion of headlights and trying to decode the distance and speed of the hazardous asshole who won't let me come over. I was hearing a voice in my head saying "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GO TOMORROW AND BUY SOME DAMN TRUCK MIRRORS SO YOU WON"T DIE IN A FLAMING ORGY OF TWISTED METAL AND BROKEN GLASS!!!" So? Go ahead all you purists and tell me how I am going to mess up what little stock is left to my bus. I have always said that as long as the "new" stuff was not an improvement, I wouldn't use it, but I am afraid that this is a safety improvement that is undeniable. If I am going to drive my bus for the net 30 or so days, many times, on major highways, I may need to improve the visability. So, there.