Hi Okay, I'm not looking for a comparison of spec as Steve has given that before very comprehensively. I am asking on behalf of someone who wants to buy a phone with TALKS simply to use for listening to music and books. Why they want a phone rather than something like a Stream is because they want to also have a spare phone if their main one packs up, is lost etc. Now, they are wavering between the N85 and N86. The price is about £50.00 difference, with the N86 naturally enough being more expensive. What they want to know and what I can't tell them, is that for the purpose they want alone and perhaps some light use if their main phone is out of action for a while, is there any real additional value in them paying the extra £50.00 to get the N86 simply because it is a newer phone? Remembering of course that that £50.00 could be used for their license transfer. Would be glad to hear from anyone who has experience of using both phones. Cheers. Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs Barbara Wilson M: 07917710779 T: 02887784046 E: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: creativeeyes