Chip, and others Thank you for realizing that pedestrian safety-- and, more broadly-- traffic safety, is NOT JUST AN ISSUE FOR THE DISABLED! Yes, those of us who walk more as an alternative to driving ARE disproportionately affected, but every time you are on the road, even in a cab or whatnot, you are susceptible to the laws of physics as they relate to many moving two-plus ton steel/plastic objects. In an ideal world, there would be a separate entity of police just for traffic monitoring, so we wouldn't have to suffer from the argument "A guy who runs a red light isn't as dangerous as a murderer." Erica -----Original Message----- From: Chip Orange <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 3:32 pm Subject: [tabi] Re: Jacsonville chapter MADD well, while we are?often pedestrians, I started out to mention that ordinary traffic laws, already on the books, weren't being enforced even for other motorists involved in accidents.? It's not only about pedestrians is what I'm saying. ? Traffic safety is really the topic which brings us all together (those in vehicles concerned about red-light runners, as well as cyclists, along with pedestrians); and we could use more people and a bigger group. ? So, if someone really wants to start an organization, perhaps it's name should reflect traffic safety in some way? ? While we've got some good ideas, I think we'll find few people have the time to start an organization; that's why I had hoped to get an existing one to take this on.? thanks Robert for trying (and Lynn). ? ? ------------------------------ Chip Orange Database Administrator Florida Public Service Commission Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (850) 413-6314 ?(Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.) ? From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daniel Ben Moshe Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:12 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Jacsonville chapter MADD Well then that means that you will have to create your own organization to address this issue.?Something like topdp Tallahassee organization for the?protection of disabled pedestrians.?This might be a grass rutes type of event, because right now there is no real?group out there that can or will help in this situation.?I like pioneers.? I was bourn a?pioneer.? ??? ? I'm glad to be your humble and obedient servant, Zechen Elder Daniel Ben Moshe, B'ni Yahshuah Synagogue Of Broward County, www.theblindcansee.org Choose ye this day whom you will serve.? If YHWH be Elohim, then serve him, with all of your heart.? However, if Baal be your god, then serve him.? As for me, and my house.? We choose to serve YHWH! The late Bishop Joe O Patterson told a story long ago, when I was a small child.? about the show down, between Elijah, and the 450 false prophets of Baal. He shared with us how Elijah, stood, and told the false prophets to go on ahead,and call their god first.?? Because they had a much larger program.? He talked about how they had 450 participants to introduce. Elijah was so sure of YHWH, he with confidence said, that he only had one.? Elijah also reminded them, that they had to drag their fake god up the mountain side on an ox cart.? Elijah also announced to the world, that his Elohim would be there when he arrived.? He said mockingly, you go on ahead.? Heck, I will even let you have prime time.? I'M going to take a nap, and when you guys finish your foolishness, wake me up.? Go ahead now, take your best shot. Bishop Joe O Patterson A blessed memory 1963-1989?? ? From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Easy Talk Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:21 AM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: Jacsonville chapter MADD Hi Lynn, ? I gave the number a call and was referred to the victim advocate for Tallahassee and for the most part MADD won't get involved since it wasn't alcohol related. ? Robert ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Evans To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: [tabi] Jacsonville chapter MADD Ok I did my part. Here is the contact info I found just by googleing: ? Mothers Against Drunk Driving - Victim Services (904) 388-0664 Address: 1721 Blanding Blvd, Jacksonville, FL 32210 ? ? I know it is in Jacksonville and it is for victims it is a phone number so go with it. ? Who is going to call on the TABI list? ? ?