[T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning

From: Rob Eaglestone <robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx>
To: t5secondsurvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:13:18 -0500

OK here's the bottom section of Vland.

[image: Screen Shot 2022-06-08 at 11.59.24 AM.png]

Except for the below allocations, I think these four subsectors should be
marked as frontier.

There's a corner of Strephon's Stronghold in M: call it rows 37+ and cols
3-.

0137 Shaaki         B9B4750-C Fl Vila1                        { 2 }
(B6C-2) [2917] B    N  - 620 16 StIm F1 V M1 V
0237 Shashim        B427698-C Ni Vila2                        { 2 }
(B56+2) [685C] B    W  - 203 12 StIm G8 V
0338 Vanessa        E568330-7 Lo Vila1                        { -3 }
(521-5) [1112] B    -  - 510 14 StIm M0 V K8 V
0340 Jessheim       AAC5233-E Fl Lo Vila1                     { 2 }
(B11-1) [142B] B    NS - 425 11 StIm M2 V

The Ziru Sirkaa has more than half of N: rows 34- on the left, sloping to
36- on the right.

0131 Skasputin      C763340-9 Lo Vila1                        { -1 }
(B21-5) [1214] B    -  - 324 10 StIm M2 V
0132 Kald           C5509AB-A De Hi Po Vila1                  { 2 }
(C8C+4) [BB7C] BE   S  - 701 8  StIm M1 V M1 V
0134 Zanagud        E66A686-7 Wa Ni Ri Vila1                  { -2 }
(852-3) [5446] BC   -  - 523 14 StIm M2 V
0234 Nurrungar      A649100-F Lo Vila1                        { 2 }
(401-2) [131A] B    NS - 810 11 StIm M3 V M3 V
0333 Paspaa         A554455-E Ni Pa Vila1                     { 1 }
(734-1) [253C] Bc   N  - 510 11 StIm K3 V G0 V
0431 Answerin       B584A85-E Hi (Answerin) Vila1             { 3 }
(E9F+1) [8D3C] -    K  - 420 10 ZiSi F7 V G0 V
0434 Geguru         D000432-9 As Va Ni Vila1                  { -2 }
(D31-5) [1215] B    S  - 325 11 StIm K1 V
0435 Ganidam        D100455-B Va Ni Vila1                     { -1 }
(732-3) [2339] B    -  - 501 5  StIm M2 V M5 V
0531 Seglound       D99A453-A Wa Ni Vila1                     { -1 }
(832-4) [1327] -    V  - 220 14 ZiSi M1 V
0532 Kinswana       C310659-B Ni Na Vila1                     { 0 }
(C54+1) [766C] -    -  - 304 9  ZiSi K6 V
0533 Khi Tai        E668732-6 Ag Ri Vila1                     { 0 }
(967-4) [3712] -    -  - 401 9  ZiSi M3 V M3 V
0534 Khakkakum      C657768-8 Ga Ag O:0431 Vila1              { 0 }
(C68+1) [7758] -    -  - 221 12 ZiSi M3 V
0631 Enbart         B201689-C Ic Va Ni Na Vila1               { 1 }
(A55+2) [776D] -    -  - 920 8  ZiSi M1 V
0633 Kamar Kurker   E554524-7 Ni Ag Vila1                     { -2 }
(742-4) [3335] -    -  - 410 6  ZiSi K1 V
0635 Savvud         C545499-9 Ni Pa Vila2                     { -1 }
(732+1) [536A] Bc   S  - 601 14 StIm M1 V
0732 Pirumush       E524410-8 Ni Vila2                        { -3 }
(A31-5) [1113] -    -  - 622 13 ZiSi G4 V M2 V
0734 Kishbar        B301310-D Ic Va Lo Vila2                  { 1 }
(721-3) [1418] -    -  - 720 10 ZiSi M2 V
0831 Igsudi         B572320-B He Lo Vila1                     { 1 }
(721-3) [1416] -    K  - 320 10 ZiSi G4 V K6 V
0832 Kirlikin       C5407BD-8 De He Pi Po Vila1               { -1 }
(B67+3) [B69C] -    V  - 902 12 ZiSi M2 V
0833 Karbarlah      D5878A8-6 Ph Pa Ri Vila1                  { -1 }
(A76-1) [8756] -    -  - 210 12 ZiSi M1 V
0834 Khisber        B87A501-D Wa Ni Vila1                     { 2 }
(C46-2) [1719] -    KV - 523 10 ZiSi F6 V
0835 Zhirka         E000110-A As Va Lo Vila2                  { -1 }
(401-5) [1115] -    -  - 610 12 ZiSi M2 V M9 V

Similarly, O starts from 36- on the left and runs up to maybe 35- on the
right.

0933 Arluk          C41198B-C Ic Hi Na In Vila1               { 3 }
(F8E+5) [BC7E] -    -  - 613 11 ZiSi M2 V
0934 Imdakhun       A20348D-F Ic Va Ni Da Vila1               { 1 }
(734+5) [859K] -    -  A 401 12 ZiSi G5 V M1 V
1032 Umaanshar      D432566-9 Ni Po O:0933 Vila1              { -2 }
(C42-3) [4348] -    V  - 823 10 ZiSi K6 V K2 V
1033 Komirex        C200263-9 Va Lo O:0933 Vila1              { -1 }
(611-4) [1126] -    V  - 820 7  ZiSi G7 V F8 V
1131 Neegak         B537662-B Ni Cy O:1332 Vila1              { 1 }
(C55-3) [2717] -    -  - 422 9  ZiSi F8 V
1134 Jupset         B8C3466-B Fl Ni O:1334 Vila1              { 1 }
(B34+1) [354A] -    -  - 923 8  ZiSi M1 V
1135 Abalakova      C5658CD-8 Ph Pa Ri Vila1                  { 0 }
(E78+4) [C89C] -    V  - 822 10 ZiSi F5 V M3 V
1136 Daangiilu      A565544-D Ni Ag Pr Cp Vila1               { 2 }
(A46+1) [373B] -    -  - 703 17 ZiSi G2 V M4 V
1232 Lekziika       C885566-9 Ga Ni Ag Pr O:1334 Vila1        { 0 }
(944-1) [4548] -    -  - 620 10 ZiSi K9 V
1235 Themistocles   B433562-D Ni Po Cy O:1334 Vila1           { 1 }
(845-3) [1619] -    V  - 701 7  ZiSi F6 V M1 V
1236 Fymur          C55178B-8 Po Vila1                        { -1 }
(A67+1) [967A] -    -  - 610 15 ZiSi M1 V
1332 Nii Khu        A55497B-C Hi Vila1                        { 3 }
(C8E+5) [BC7E] -    K  - 501 13 ZiSi K0 V M3 V
1334 Lukham         A564ABE-G Hi Fo Vila1                     { 4 }
(E9G+5) [EE9L] -    -  R 602 9  ZiSi K1 V K6 V
1431 Daalurge       C558532-9 Ni Ag Vila1                     { 0 }
(844-4) [1515] -    -  - 410 11 ZiSi M2 V M1 V
1432 Agagir         C430588-B De Ni Po Vila1                  { 0 }
(844+1) [555B] -    V  - 110 15 ZiSi M4 V
1435 Dakeshir       C401400-C Ic Va Ni Vila1                  { 0 }
(833-4) [1417] -    -  - 102 14 ZiSi M1 V
1531 Kolrado        C422462-A He Ni Po O:1730 Vila1           { 0 }
(733-4) [1416] -    V  - 910 9  ZiSi M0 V
1533 Samotk         A100410-F Va Ni Vila2                     { 1 }
(734-3) [151A] -    -  - 901 8  ZiSi M1 V M8 V
1534 Senkon         D510100-9 Lo Vila1                        { -2 }
(801-5) [1114] -    -  - 623 9  ZiSi G6 V M3 V
1535 Malapaan       C426841-A Ph Pi Vila1                     { 1 }
(C7A-3) [4916] -    -  - 620 9  ZiSi K0 V
1632 Imdur          E540100-8 De He Lo Po Vila1               { -3 }
(401-5) [1113] -    -  - 810 8  ZiSi M1 V
1633 Darkishar      B42058B-D De He Ni Po Vila1               { 1 }
(845+3) [767F] -    V  - 910 12 ZiSi K0 V M3 V
1634 Isuugi         E756546-5 Ga Ni Ag Vila1                  { -2 }
(742-3) [4344] -    -  - 413 12 ZiSi G6 V G0 V

The ZS has the upper-right corner in M, and a larger chunk in P.

0531 Seglound       D99A453-A Wa Ni Vila1                     { -1 }
(832-4) [1327] -    V  - 220 14 ZiSi M1 V
0532 Kinswana       C310659-B Ni Na Vila1                     { 0 }
(C54+1) [766C] -    -  - 304 9  ZiSi K6 V
0631 Enbart         B201689-C Ic Va Ni Na Vila1               { 1 }
(A55+2) [776D] -    -  - 920 8  ZiSi M1 V
0732 Pirumush       E524410-8 Ni Vila2                        { -3 }
(A31-5) [1113] -    -  - 622 13 ZiSi G4 V M2 V
0831 Igsudi         B572320-B He Lo Vila1                     { 1 }
(721-3) [1416] -    K  - 320 10 ZiSi G4 V K6 V
0832 Kirlikin       C5407BD-8 De He Pi Po Vila1               { -1 }
(B67+3) [B69C] -    V  - 902 12 ZiSi M2 V
0833 Karbarlah      D5878A8-6 Ph Pa Ri Vila1                  { -1 }
(A76-1) [8756] -    -  - 210 12 ZiSi M1 V

and

2531 Kiddinu B555553-C Ni Ag Vila1 { 2 }

(E46-1) [2729] -    -  - 434 11 ZiSi M0 V
2533 Aki            D697AFF-A Hi In Fo Vila1                  { 2 }
(D9C+5) [FCAF] -    -  R 110 13 ZiSi F5 V M0 V
2534 Zerapii        C411774-A Ic Na Pi Vila1                  { 1 }
(D6A-1) [5838] -    V  - 822 12 ZiSi M1 V
2536 Linissa        E200777-8 Va Na Pi Vila1                  { -2 }
(A66-2) [7558] BD   -  - 710 12 StIm G9 V
2631 Kane           E789ABE-A Hi Fo Vila1                     { 1 }
(H9B+5) [EB9E] -    -  R 723 10 ZiSi K9 V
2634 Wakarsat       B68A789-B Wa Ri Vila1                     { 3 }
(E6D+4) [8A6C] -    K  - 814 13 ZiSi M0 V
2732 Dnak'kritz     D582758-7 Ri Vila1                        { -1 }
(967-1) [7657] -    V  - 104 7  ZiSi G0 V M2 V
2733 Jarmat         A310122-D Lo Vila1                        { 1 }
(801-3) [1219] -    -  - 614 9  ZiSi M0 V
2734 Rambant        B310113-C Lo Vila2                        { 1 }
(701-2) [1229] -    -  - 104 11 ZiSi F4 V K0 V
2832 Telkaa         C635515-A Ni Vila2                        { 0 }
(A44-2) [3538] -    -  - 721 10 ZiSi M2 V K3 V K3 V
2931 Icuspin        A200976-F Va Hi Na In Vila1               { 4 }
(D8G+3) [8D4E] -    -  - 820 13 ZiSi M2 V
2932 Zanski         B585530-B Ni Ag Pr Vila1                  { 3 }
(A47-1) [1816] -    KW - 421 12 ZiSi M3 V
2933 Kanat          B567359-B Lo Vila1                        { 1 }
(921+2) [446C] -    -  - 513 13 ZiSi M2 V
2934 Assazak        C5908C9-8 De He Ph Pi Pz Vila1            { -1 }
(B77+1) [9769] -    -  A 401 11 ZiSi M1 V
3031 New Salen      C202974-C Ic Va Hi Na In Vila1            { 3 }
(D8E+1) [7C3A] -    -  - 920 13 ZiSi M2 V
3032 Matuyama       C540899-8 De He Ph Pi Po Vila2            { -1 }
(F77+1) [9769] -    -  - 323 8  ZiSi G0 V M0 V
3131 Maamibrin      B5629CA-C Hi Pr Fo Vila1                  { 3 }
(D8E+5) [BC7E] BcE  -  R 120 13 LuIm F7 V
3134 Toborit        C424664-8 Ni O:2931 Vila1                 { -2 }
(C52-4) [4436] B    -  - 322 10 LuIm M2 V
3231 Vanutappan     B547547-B Ni Ag Vila1                     { 2 }
(D46+2) [575B] BC   -  - 624 14 LuIm F7 V M9 V
3232 Tamayo         A779568-C Ni O:2931 Vila1                 { 1 }
(845+1) [565C] B    -  - 601 11 LuIm M0 V G6 V M6 V

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Rob Eaglestone <robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Well, half of the lower row, anyway.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:55 AM Rob Eaglestone <
robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'll assume the Spinward Marches is "good enough" for now, although Reft
sector is missing data.
Looks like Corridor is "good enough" for now.

Vland looks like it needs adjustment:  Strephon's Imperium appears to
encroach too far to trailing... in fact I might suggest that the lower row
of Vland sector is simply Frontier with no actual ownership.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:29 AM Rob Eaglestone <
robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So my task list for 1120:

   1. Split frontier worlds from center worlds.
   2. Leave center worlds unchanged.
   3. In the frontier: for Pop 9+ worlds:
      1. Remove bases.
      2. Demote starports and TL.
      3. Re-roll government and law, each with a +2 DM.
      4. Inhospitable worlds become Dieback.
      5. Do the same with worlds within {Ix} radius of this world.

Or something.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:18 AM Rob Eaglestone <
robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hmmm, reading Hard Times, I see that THAT era begins in 1125, which is
pretty late in the timeline.

So what is the point of a 1120 dataset?  I can see one thing:

=> Devolution of high-population worlds.  These were fought over, and
so their infrastructure was wrecked.  Governments here became oppressive.
Fragile life support systems failed on inhospitable worlds.

This would have a collateral effect, since Industrial worlds are the
technological infrastructure of interstellar empires in Traveller.

"The remaining bulk carriers were needed to ensure the immediate
defensive and minimal industrial needs of the faction core areas."

That implies that *all frontier sensitive* worlds -- people on
inhospitable worlds in the frontiers -- feel the effects by 1120.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:07 AM Rob Eaglestone <
robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have a related question.

Should the dataset be re-labelled "1122", thereby allowing Hard Times
effects to legitimately begin?

Or does 1120 have some sort of significance that makes it worth having?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:03 AM Rob Eaglestone <
robert.eaglestone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Attached is the Rebellion Sourcebook's 1120 map, and the Survival
Margin map for 1119.

   - The stronghold regions and extents are roughly the same.
   - The frontiers are distinct from the centers.

Survival Margin's borders are a bit more defined.  I think that makes
more interesting distinctions from the 1105 dataset.

The Hard Times supplement, presumably, suggests a template for
reducing the "Frontier" worlds.  I don't think we're in the Black War
phase
yet, so I think the world atmosphere and hydrographics won't change.
Right?

So the first task is, sector by sector, to separate the frontier
worlds from the stronghold worlds -- and, if I follow Survival Margin, to
mark those frontiers as Non-Aligned or something?

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References:
- [T5SS] 1120 Data - planning
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- [T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning
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- [T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning
  - From: Rob Eaglestone
- [T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning
  - From: Rob Eaglestone
- [T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning
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- [T5SS] Re: 1120 Data - planning
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