I may simply have missed seeing it, but the mailing lists at http://www.sunhelp.org are extremely good. A couple of notes - they can be very high traffic and they can start acting like family; for good and ill. William -- REGIME CHANGE STARTS AT HOME... Draft General Clark for President http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/ Why? http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2003/030801_mfe_clark_1.html