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On Nov 1, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Nicole Massey <nyyki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Right, but the cost to buy the spell list, in development points, is way
steep for Torvala's class. Also, she's probably too armored to cast essence
spells.
This is what my other character idea was for, as she cast only arcane spells.
But she never came about.
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If you had learnt a Spell Lists to lvl 5, then for purposes of RR
calculation, you'd use your own lvl. So, if you cast a 2-Cancel Essence*,
then the lvl you'd use would be 17! Maybe if you get some High Elves to teach
you the Arcane realm, which was in existence before magic split into the 3
traditional realms, then you can do it.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 08:31:49 PM GMT, Nicole Massey
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Yeah, and since the lowest level a magic-user can have Wish is 18th level,
that's a big uphill battle. The numbers also make it impossible for a 5th
level magic-user to overcome high level spell castings.
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If you guys read the spell Dispel Magic, a 5th level caster, which is the
minimum to cast Dispel Magic would indeed have quite a time dispelling the
work of a 17th. Level Caster. The base chance is 50% and it gets less of a
chance for every level above his/hers of the caster who's magic they are
trying to dispel. It's made it tough for Elmore to dispel the magics of
others as he's usually at least 3 levels or more lower than their enemies.
One saving grace had been reversible spells like Continual Darkness, where he
doesn't exactly dispel the magic, he counters it with a reversible spell,
Continual Light. I don't run games so much, but I do think that only way to
counter a wish, would be with another wish. They'd probably need to know of
the existence of the original effect to know what to wish for though.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:01:28 AM CDT, Tim Farley
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Point of fact: summoned creatures not dead do go back to where they came from.
Stone shape is permanent. The question is whether dispel magic can or should
be able to undo it. I see your point about the detect magic. But even
nondetectable magic should be susceptible to dispel. But, again, it could be
a matter of a saving throw. A 17th level caster casts a spell that a fifth
level caster should have difficulty dispelling, by virtue of the relative
power of the casters.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:53:24 AM EDT, Nicole Massey
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OOC: It also makes things so much bookkeeping. I don't want to have to track
what was done by minions and what was done by magic, and if permanent doesn't
mean permanent then what is permanent? This kind of thing would make a detect
magic spell useless, unless the magic in things made permanent by spell lose
that magic. Example: I summon a rock. Is that rock now magical? Will casting
Dispel Magic make that rock go back to where it was before? The same goes for
summoned creatures, elements, and other stuff. Why in the world would anyone
with enough intelligence to cast spells let anyone make anything from what
was created by a Material spell? To take it to the highest extreme, a
powerful enough Dispel Magic cast by the right Wizard could unmake all of
Stoddard, since Silva created it through magical means. It's simpler and more
straightforward to make things altered by magic to be permanent and
un-dispellable if the duration says so.
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OOC: That makes them too foolproof. Perhaps some sort of saving throw for
the 'permanent' effect when hit with a dispel magic. Willing to say
additional magic can be expended to make it permanent. But, then, you
probably suspected I would be a bit reticent to allow such a thing to not be
undoable..
I had a mage who built his stronghold with a lot of walls of stone.
Potentially ugly. But he threw up enough real outer works such as gate
houses, etc., and hit them with magic aura, so to hide the real magical walls
amongst a bunch of fake magical ones.
His big trick as far as paranoid tricks were concerned was passwall, followed
up by a bunch of goblin miners. they make a chamber, he goes with them,
studies it well, and teleports out after the passwall expires.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:20:46 AM EDT, Nicole Massey
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Carandolana says, "Of course, on a later trip I can make that door go away."
OOC: I've been deep in the spells, and I've come to the opinion that spells
with a duration permanent are alterations to reality, and won't radiate magic
or be able to be dispelled after a short time. Likewise instantaneous
durations are in and done. This makes everything less volatile, because when
casting a Dispel Magic or Mordenkainen's Disjunction very nasty things
undetectable could come down on the magic-user's head. This is a part of my
thinking that for elemental spells the magic is in summoning the element, not
in what's summoned, the same going for the Monster Summoning spells. Making
Dispel Magic work on the spells going on now instead of the effects of past
magical use makes a lot of sense to me. Thoughts, especially from others who
run these games?
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That's enough for now. He backpedals. "Speaker, this might be something for
you, Pomeroy and Carandolana to deal with. Or maybe we bring in an Ulsarian
expert, or a paladin, or a great big dragon or something. We should seal
this, if not today, tomorrow. Carandolana, would you be willing to shape the
stane so that it cannot be opened short of shaping the stone or excavating
it? I know you probably cannot access that prayer today, but this feels like
something, well, beyond me, that's for sure. Speaker, I suspect Zazerial
would be beside himself with rage at this abomination."
I am sure there is no way for Sean to ascertain when the shrine was last
used, especially when standing outside the chamber, peering in with his
flashtube. But he'll try to gat a handle on it regardless.
"Anybody here a demonologist? or a Devil expert? I suspect some sort of
devil. It doesn't get more antithetical to my personal philosophy than that."
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 09:39:22 AM EDT, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx
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If Sean enters the small altar room, he will sense a shiver of pure evil jolt
through him. This is an area of something very much opposite of his
worldview. The topmost skull does look like it is from the lower outer
planes. Not sure what. Not a vrock.What else might he be looking for?
