It sounds like the dongle you have is either broken or you have forgotten to insert it. Creator and Notator both need to have a catridge entered into the slot which acts as a key to unlock the program (sort of ) this specialized catridge is called a "Dongle" without a working dongle the software on the disk is useless... and the same regard a working dongle with no software is useless you have to have both to make the machine happy!!! http://www.kreed.com/boxofmiracles > I'm unfamiliar with the term "Dongled" though. If you mean simply that it's > bad, then that's the case, but how do I use that to make the crosswinds > download work? -- Manage your list membership - //www.freelists.org/ Steem - http://www.blimey.strayduck.com/