ok, everyone check out http://liberdictus.com/stamp there are a few bugs that i'm going to have someone at my office who's better with CSS than I am look at it and fix a few things. Of course, that's likely to be slow and you all are welcome to fix any bugs you see (especially that unwanted space under the top logo, I can't figure that out. Once I finish the match input page, you'll all see my idea for integrating this design which should be really easy. I might be late for tomorrow's meeting, I have to drive 240 miles south on friday to make it to my old team's saturday meeting (yes, I'm dedicated!) so it all depends on traffic. -- Steven Buss steven.buss@xxxxxxxxx PHP/MySQL programmer