[sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the Temple

From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <djringjr@xxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:35:20 -0400
RR,

You lose no moment to spread you favorite distortions.

The Temple Tax was an annual tax started in the book of Exodus of a half
sheckel.  It was not an entrance fee, per se to enter the temple, but I
don't know how or if receipts were issued. Women, girls and boys paid no
tax, but could worship at the temple.  Only men paid the tax.

I do know that the Temple Tax was not a regresive tax, the Jews wanted to
pay it and some continued to pay it even after the destruction of the
temple around 70 AD.

The Levites were the Jews who were set aside by their obedience to God's
laws and were the priests who were selected because of that historic
obedience as written about in Exodus.

RR, why don't you go to your local temple and enrole, you certainly will
get an education if you can learn over the brainwashing by the anti Jew
Internet sites you frequent.  Or have you started using an Onion router
(TOR) using the Dark Side of The Internet where for a sum of BitCoin you
buy death, drugs and misinformation galore. Misinformation is often free.

DR
On Mar 21, 2015 12:07 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> DR,
> The rabbis charged admission to enter the temple and they only accepted
> silver shekels as payment. The circulating currency was Roman coin.
> Therefore the only way to gain admission to the temple was to change your
> Roman money for shekels. Hence the money changers.  I find it very
> difficult to believe that only time the Prince of Peace ever got angry and
> became violent was because he was unhappy with the rate of exchange.
>
> "Silver Tyrian shekels <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_shekel> were
> the medium of payment for the *Temple tax* in Jerusalem, and have been
> suggested as a possible coin used as the "30 pieces of silver
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_pieces_of_silver>" in the New
> Testament <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament>.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shekel#cite_note-5> This shekel was about
> 180 grains <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_%28unit%29> (11 grams
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram> or .35 troy ounces
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_ounce>)."
>
> 'The value of the denarius <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius> in Roman
> currency <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_currency> gradually
> decreased over time as the Roman
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome> government altered both the
> size and the silver content of the coin. Originally, the silver
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver> used was nearly pure, weighing
> about 4.5 grams <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram>. From time to time,
> this was reduced. During the Julio-Claudian dynasty
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_dynasty>, the Denarius
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius> contained approximately 4 grams
> of silver, and then was reduced to 3.8 grams under Nero
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero>. The Denarius continued to shrink in
> size and purity, until by the second half of the third century, it was only
> about 2% silver, and was replaced by the Argenteus
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argenteus>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement#cite_note-1>"
>
> Jews are still hunting down soldiers who served in Nazi labor camps 60
> years later. If one Israeli dies they kill a hundred Palestinians in
> retaliation, usually by bombing innocent civilians. They're not known for
> their forgiveness.
>
> I rarely get angry and never just because somebody disagrees with me or
> doesn't share my opinion. Not only would that be childish but if I only
> listened to those who agreed with me then I would never really learn
> anything. You can often learn more from a lie then you can from the truth.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Mar 21, 2015 9:21 AM
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the Temple
>
> RR,
>
> At some point you're going to either have to pay attention to the answers
> or go reading some more.
>
> The money changers weren't giving fair rates for their exchange but worse
> were those who were gouging for animals for sacrifice they really were
> marking them up.  I don't know if the rabbis had a piece  of the action, I
> don't know if the rabbis condoned this but they didn't seem to expel them
> or monitor the prices either.
>
> The Romans didn't arrest Jesus - we've gone over this.
>
> The Romans had gold, silver and bronze coins.
>
> Hey, I have an idea, why don't you make up anything you want and then get
> angry when people don't accept it.
>
> Imagine anyone saying Jews did not forgive, sure they did, and they were
> forgiven.
>
> The Bible is full of Jews weeping for forgiveness because of what they had
> done that was sinful or wrong.
>
> If you need an education on that, you're going to have to start reading.
>
> Try starting with Esau forgiving Jacob in Genesis 33.
>
> If I could remember the Caesar in power in 30 AD, I could tell you if that
> particular Caesar claimed he was god or not, some did, some didn't.
>
> Go look it up yourself.  I don't want to spend all day researching your
> random questions, you go find the answers.
>
> Jews not forgiving is just one example of how foolish your messages are.
>
> DR
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> DR,
>> Still confused.
>>
>> 1. Why did Jesus chase the money changers out of the temple then? If the
>> rabbis only accepted Shekels as payment then weren't the money changers
>> performing a service for the rabbis?
>>
>> 2. If Jesus submitted to authority then why did the Romans arrest him for
>> sedition?
>>
>> 3. Caesar was not a god and nobody worshiped him. The Romans had their
>> own gods.
>>
>> 4. A more reasonable explanation would be that at that time the Romans
>> were debasing their currency, whereas the Shekel was defined as 1/2 oz. of
>> silver. It's the same reason why people buy gold and silver today, also
>> called hard currency.
>>
>> 5. So today there are some reformed temples. There weren't any back then
>> which is what we are talking about.
>>
>> 6. If the temple only accepted Shekels as payment then the money changers
>> were performing a service for the rabbis. Judaism was/is a theocracy that
>> is ruled by rabbis.
>>
>> 7. Forgiveness is not a tenant of Judaism. Jews do not forgive.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> Sent: Mar 20, 2015 8:46 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the
>> Temple
>>
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2015 10:28 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > DR,
>> > Sorry you lost me. Obviously you know more about the subject than I do.
>> So please tell us
>> >
>> > 1. Why did Jesus chase the money changers out of the temple? Weren't
>> they performing a service for the rabbis?
>>
>> No, they were in the area open to all, the area for the gentiles.
>>
>> > 2. Why did the Jews crucify him? '
>>
>> The Jews did not crucify Jesus, the Romans did, for sedition "king of the
>> Jews", because there was no king but Ceasar.  The Jews arrested him for
>> blasphany.
>>
>> > 3. Why did the Romans feed Christians to the lions in the Colosseum?
>>
>> Because they refused to worship Caesar.
>>
>> > 4. Why was Roman coin profane?
>> Because it was not a Jewish coin, it was a coin of a king who did not
>> worship the one true God of the Jews.
>>
>> > 5. Why do synagogues charge admission while churches only accept
>> donations?
>>
>> I have gone to temple and donated for the collection, a reformed temple.
>>
>> > 6. If Jesus submitted to authority then why did he chase the money
>> changers out of the temple? In Israel the rabbis were the authority.
>>
>> The money changers were not rabbis, I have already answered this.
>>
>> > 7. If Jesus refused to call sin something good then why did he forgive
>> prostitutes and say "let he who without sin cast the first stone"?
>>
>> Forgiving has nothing to do with calling sin bad.  It remains evil.  When
>> he forgave people or healed them he told them to sin no more.
>> He never told the prostitute to continue what she was doing.  He also
>> told the Samarian woman near the well that she had five husbands while she
>> was still really married to the first man, and she was an adulteress four
>> times.
>>
>> Forgive means to give what you used to give, to for-give, to re-store, to
>> re-create.
>>
>> What's more important sin or grace.
>>
>> Jesus correctly focuses on grace and sin displaces grace and grace
>> displaces sin.  No grace, and??? Evil enters.
>>
>> DR
>>
>> >
>> > -RR
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> >> Sent: Mar 20, 2015 7:12 PM
>> >> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the
>> Temple
>> >>
>> >> RR,
>> >>
>> >> It tells you in the video.  Roman coin was profane, it could not be
>> accepted in the Jewish temple.  But Roman coin was the legal coin of Jewish
>> Palestine.  So you had to convert to sheckles.  Jesus did not think the
>> Temple should be free.  The priesthood was the tribe of Israel that was set
>> apart from the other tribes.  You will see the twelve tribes named as in
>> the book of Numbers and Leviticus, but the sons of Aaron, the Levites are
>> never named as one of the twelve tribes as tgey were set apart.
>> >>
>> >> The animals were the offering, first-born male and without blemish.
>> They were the holocaust offering.
>> >>
>> >> RR, you can take anything and twist it so far out of shape that it has
>> very little truth left in it.
>> >>
>> >> Jesus purpose was not to be a rebel.  He said he did not come to
>> abolish the Law but to complete it.  He said so himself.  He submitted to
>> authority even to death.
>> >>
>> >> If you think Jesus was a rebel, you have zero understanding of the New
>> Testament.
>> >>
>> >> Jesus was the first-born spotless lamb that is spoken about in Issiah.
>> >>
>> >> Definately not a rebel, but just like all great Jews past and present
>> he refused to call sin something good, just as John the Baptist told Herod
>> his adultery was sinful, Jesus did not aprove what was not kosher because
>> it defiled his father's house.
>> >>
>> >> He got angry because the activities were not kosher, not clean of sin,
>> and defiled the temple.
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >>
>> >> DR
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 20, 2015 8:39 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I never understood what the money changers did. Some say they lent
>> money and charged interest. If I understand the video correctly, the temple
>> required men to pay an annual subscription in order to attend and they only
>> accepted silver Shekels as payment. The money changers were there to change
>> goats or whatever the people had to trade into Shekels so they could pay
>> the temple. Jesus believed the temple should be free.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know if it's true or not but I'm told that even today, unlike
>> Christian churches that only accept donations, Jewish synagogs charge a
>> subscription in order to attend.
>> >>>
>> >>> In any event the reason I posted a link to the video is because it
>> shows that the real reason why Jesus was crucified had nothing to do with
>> religious beliefs but because his ideas challenged the ruling powers, not
>> just the rabbis, but the Romans as evidenced by the feeding of Christians
>> to lions in the Collosium. The religious angle was to get the sheeple on
>> board. Governments know how to get the sheeple riled up. They know that if
>> you can get somebody to act on emotion you can get them to do anything,
>> commit any kind of evil. It worked back then and it still works today.
>> >>>
>> >>> -RR
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 20, 2015 7:46 PM, "Redacted sender sblumen123@xxxxxxx for
>> DMARC" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> DR, RR
>> >>>>> Beats me, checked out the link and I still don't know what this
>> new real reason Jesus cleared the Temple?
>> >>>>> Can you fellers explain?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The Zionist
>>
>>
>
References:
- [sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the Temple
  - From: Ron Ristad
[sparkscoffee] Re: The Real Truth of Why Jesus Cleared the Temple

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