[sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way Throug h Pa lestine
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 06:53:56 -0400
RR,
You're right, I thought one thing, wrote another. They're Sunni.
73
DR
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> DR,
> ISIS are not Shiite. They are Sunni, bitter enemies of the Shite. Saudi
> Arabia is Sunni, as is Al-Queda and the Syrian rebels that the U.S.supplies
> arms to. Sunni's are the one's who cut off thieve's hands and stone
> adulterers. Sunni's are the sect that Israel supports.
>
> I assume you blame the Shites because Iran is Shite. You need to do more
> study.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Jul 31, 2014 9:10 AM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
> Throug h Pa lestine
>
> I was saying what the Koran says according to the Shia.
>
> DR
> On Jul 31, 2014 10:17 AM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> DR,
>> You've got it backwards. The Bible prophesies that all nations will
>> attack Israel but God will come to their side and make them rulers of the
>> earth. *This is the very basis of the Zionist movement.* Many
>> Christians also believe this
>>
>> 1 <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-1.htm>Behold, a day is coming for
>> the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2
>> <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm>For I will gather all the
>> nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the
>> houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the
>> rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3
>> <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-3.htm>Then the LORD will go forth and
>> fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.…
>> Zechariah 14:1-3 <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-14.htm>
>>
>> I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of
>> Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my
>> inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the
>> nations and divided up my land.
>> Joel 3:2 <http://biblehub.com/joel/3-2.htm>
>>
>>
>> On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her,
>> I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to
>> move it will injure themselves.
>> Zechariah 12:3 <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/12-3.htm>
>>
>>
>> On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack
>> Jerusalem.
>> Zechariah 12:9 <http://biblehub.com/zechariah/12-9.htm>
>>
>>
>> http://www.evenatthedoors.com/invasionofisrael.htm
>>
>> -RR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> Sent: Jul 30, 2014 8:30 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
>> Throug h Pa lestine
>>
>> Get rid of Hamas. The people do not care about Palestine. Israeli
>> muslims have a much higher standard of living.
>>
>> Everyone around the Middle East want Jews dead because of the Koran
>> prophecy that all Jews must die before the World is conquered for Islam.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>> On Jul 30, 2014 10:20 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> JS,
>>> I think that you are either prejudiced by propaganda and/or have not
>>> studied the situation objectively from all sides. The people of Gaza do not
>>> deserve to be locked in a prison. The people of the West Bank do not
>>> deserve to have their homes bulldozed so Jews can build houses on their
>>> land. 99.9% of Palestinians are good decent people who are just trying to
>>> get on with their lives.
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
>>> >Sent: Jul 30, 2014 7:25 PM
>>> >To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
>>> Throug h Pa lestine
>>> >
>>> >RR
>>> >
>>> >I grew up in similar circumstances. Went to a public high school with a
>>> student body of fortune five hundred kids, gas station attendant's kids,
>>> blacks and hispanics. We all got along. So no argument about that. And of
>>> course spent years at sea and in foreign countries like you. But my take on
>>> Israel has changed since I first studied the Arab Israeli conflict in
>>> college. I'm still ambivalent about the original Zionist rationale for
>>> taking that land. Even from this vantage point of time, it's hard to make a
>>> moral justification for it other than the Holocaust. Especially since
>>> Britain offered Uganda to the Jews for a homeland which was refused by the
>>> Zionists for ideological reasons. Which brings us to the current situation
>>> where I think we part company. I may be wrong but I see Hamas as vicious,
>>> cynical Islamic terrorists, willing to sacrifice their own children. That
>>> alone eliminates any moral equivalency to a country that is trying to
>>> defend itself. So I think that the immediate situation needs to be
>>> separated from the historical. Whether the creation of Israel was right or
>>> wrong, it exists and it's people (like all others) deserves life, liberty
>>> and the pursuit of happiness. You just can't call self defense, murder. Or
>>> war either for that matter.
>>> >
>>> >JS
>>> >
>>> >---------- Original Message ----------
>>> >From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
>>> Through Pa lestine
>>> >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:27:51 -0400 (EDT)
>>> >
>>> >JS,
>>> >It sure seems like a moral failure to me. It's not the America that I
>>> grew up in. I never heard anybody in my family or any of my neighbors ever
>>> justify the murder of innocent people for any reason, even in wartime. I
>>> grew up in Detroit that has the highest muslim population in the U.S. and
>>> they were all friendly even if the women dressed strange. In school the
>>> muslims had their own group, as did the blacks and the Jews but I don't
>>> remember there being any racial tensions ever. As a seaman I have visited
>>> countries of every race and religion and never had a bad experience ever.
>>> That kind of hatred only comes from governments and the mainstream media as
>>> propaganda. Sadly most people believe anything the government and
>>> mainstream media tells them, even to the point of hating people that have
>>> never done anything to harm them and they have never even met.
>>> >
>>> >-RR
>>> >
>>> >---orginal Message-----
>>> >>From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
>>> >>Sent: Jul 30, 2014 1:12 PM
>>> >>To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
>>> Through Pa lestine
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Doesn't pass the humor and wit test. Nor a hell of a lot of the "fact"
>>> test either. No wonder he didn't want to debate the boys at Oxford.
>>> >>
>>> >>JS
>>> >>---------- Original Message ----------
>>> >>From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>>> >>Subject: [sparkscoffee] Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way
>>> Through Palestine
>>> >>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:58:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>>> >>
>>> >>The Moral Failure Of The West
>>> >>
>>> >>By Paul Craig Roberts, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
>>> >>
>>> >>Readers are asking for my take on the Israel-Gaza situation, and,
>>> believe it or not, Oxford University’s famous debating society, the Oxford
>>> Union, invited me to debate the issue.
>>> >>
>>> >>I replied to the Oxford Union that I was unprepared to take
>>> responsibility for the Palestinians without undergoing the extensive
>>> preparation that an Oxford Union debate deserves and requires. Unless
>>> things have changed since my time at Oxford, one prevails in a Union debate
>>> by anticipating every argument of one’s opponent and smashing the arguments
>>> with humor and wit. Facts seldom, if ever, carry the day, and sometimes not
>>> even wit and humor if the audience is already committed to the outcome by
>>> the prevailing propaganda. There is no time or energy in my overfull
>>> schedule for such preparation plus time away and jet lag.
>>> >>
>>> >>Moreover, I am not an expert on Israel’s conquest and occupation of
>>> Palestine. I know more than most people. I was rescued from Zionist
>>> propaganda by Israeli historians, such as Ilan Pappe, by Jewish
>>> intellectuals, such as Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein, by documentary
>>> film makers, such as John Pilger, by Israeli journalists such as Uri Avnery
>>> and the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, and by an Israeli houseguest who is an
>>> Israeli member of an Israeli peace group that opposes Israeli destruction
>>> of Palestinian homes, villages, and orchards in order to build apartment
>>> blocks for settlers.
>>> >>
>>> >>There is only one take on the current Israeli slaughter of
>>> Palestinians, which Netanyahu, the demonic Israeli leader, declares will be
>>> a “protracted campaign” this time. We are witnessing yet again Israeli war
>>> crimes that are supported by the Great Moral West that is so concerned
>>> about the deaths of 290 passengers on MH-17 that they are about to drive
>>> the world to a major war, while Palestinian casualties pile up so fast that
>>> they are out of date by the time you put the numbers in a column. So far
>>> more than 1,200 deaths, with injuries to 2,000 children, 1,170 women, and
>>> 257 elderly.
>>> >>
>>> >>Reading the Western Media, watching Western TV, and listening to
>>> Western radio, one is left with the propaganda that the Palestinians are to
>>> blame for the Israeli attack on Gaza, just as one is left with the
>>> propaganda that the Malaysian airliner deaths are Russia’s fault. There is
>>> no evidence, but propaganda does not require evidence. Just repetition.
>>> >>
>>> >>The Gaza strip, a ghetto full of Palestinians evicted from their homes
>>> and villages in the West Bank, is one of the most densely populated areas
>>> on earth where life with scant resources is difficult. Israel is currently
>>> in the process of shrinking Gaza by 44 percent, and Senate Majority Leader
>>> Harry Reid, a Democrat, is preparing another “emergency” aid package
>>> consisting of US tax dollars to finance Israel’s slaughter and compression
>>> of Palestinian lives. (See:
>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/28/as-israel-enforces-its-buffer-zone-gaza-shrinks-by-40-per-cent.html
>>> , http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39255.htm , and
>>> http://news.antiwar.com/2014/07/28/senate-leader-israel-may-need-more-us-aid-for-war/print/
>>> )
>>> >>
>>> >>One would think that the Great Moral West would be discussing
>>> sanctions on Israel and on Washington’s stooge government in Kiev, which is
>>> bombing civilian homes, apartment complexes, and infrastructure in
>>> provinces where the people object to the Russophobic government installed
>>> by Washington in place of the one that they elected. But the Great Moral
>>> West only aids the perpetrators of death and destruction, not the victims.
>>> >>
>>> >>Palestinians are being dispossessed and exterminated exactly as were
>>> the native American Indians. On occasion Israeli officials have said that
>>> they are only following America’s lead in clearing the land of
>>> undesirables. This is my take on what is one of the West’s great moral
>>> failings:
>>> >>
>>> >>Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way Through Palestine
>>> >>
>>> >>As Zionists have endeavored to teach the world for decades, Israel is
>>> not subject to criticism. Only Jew-haters, anti-semites, and people who
>>> want to gas Jews and boil them in oil criticize Israel. Israel is above
>>> criticism, because Israelis are God’s Chosen People and despite being God’s
>>> Chosen People suffered the Holocaust.
>>> >>
>>> >>This means that the Israeli government, like the one in Washington,
>>> can do whatever it wants and remain above criticism.
>>> >>
>>> >>Since the 1940s Zionists have been stealing Palestine from the
>>> Palestinians. The majority of Palestinians have been removed from their
>>> homes and their country. They exist in refugee camps in other countries and
>>> 1.5 million are concentrated in the Gaza Ghetto, which is blockaded by
>>> Israel on one end and by the Washington paid Egyptians on the other.
>>> >>
>>> >>This makes it convenient for Israel from time to time to attack the
>>> civilian population and civilian infrastructure in Gaza with military
>>> force. So far in Israel’s latest war crime, Israel has murdered more than
>>> 1,200 Palestinians, largely women and children. You will seldom see the
>>> photos of the destruction in the American media, but RT provides a few
>>> glimpses. http://rt.com/news/175852-gaza-ceasefire-deathtoll-thousand/
>>> >>
>>> >>Israel is always the aggressor but always takes the role of the
>>> victim. Palestinian women and children are all subhumans–”snakes” as one
>>> Israeli politician put it–who sneak into Israel through secret tunnels
>>> (whose existence is akin to Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction)
>>> wearing suicide bomb belts and blow up innocent Israelis along with
>>> themselves while Israelis sit in cafes peacefully discussing philosophical
>>> issues and the latest news. To stop this slaughter of innocent Israelis,
>>> Israel has to blow up Palestinian hospitals, schools, and civilian homes
>>> and apartment blocks.
>>> >>
>>> >>These unmistakable war crimes, these crimes against humanity are all
>>> ignored by the great moral arbiters of the world–the Governments of the
>>> West who are shaking their fingers not at Israel but their fists at Russia.
>>> >>
>>> >>Western governments ignore Israel’s war crimes but not all Western
>>> peoples comply with this neglect. Many thousands of demonstrators against
>>> Israel have been in the streets in South America, London, Paris, Germany,
>>> Dublin, and Israel’s own Tel Aviv.
>>> http://rt.com/news/175860-london-gaza-protest-march/ But don’t look for
>>> much reporting of these demonstrations in the American presstitute media.
>>> >>
>>> >>The American presstitute media is focused on those who died in the
>>> downing of the Malaysian airliner in eastern Ukraine, in order to blame
>>> those 290 deaths on Russia. As far as the American presstitute media is
>>> concerned, the murder of 1,200 Palestinian deaths is not happening or if it
>>> is, the Palestinians deserve it for responding to Israel’s oppression by
>>> firing in frustration primitive rockets that seldom, if ever, hit their
>>> targets.
>>> >>
>>> >>What is another 1,200 murdered Palestinians? Who cares? Not Washington
>>> or the British PM in Whitehall and certainly not the Israelis. As far as
>>> Israel and the Great Moral West is concerned, 1,200 murdered Palestinians
>>> amount to nothing. They are not even chafe in the wind.
>>> >>
>>> >>The last time Israel attacked the civilians in Gaza, a distinguished
>>> Israeli jurist, himself a Zionist, prepared a case for the UN that Israel
>>> had committed war crimes. On Israel’s orders the craven but very obedient
>>> US Congress passed a resolution denouncing the distinguished jurist for
>>> defaming the pure and innocent Israeli government. The pressure from
>>> Washington and Israel on the jurist broke his commitment to truth, and he
>>> retracted his findings.
>>> >>
>>> >>This is what the Israel Lobby and the craven American presstitute
>>> media do to everyone who criticizes Israel’s crimes against humanity and
>>> Washington’s protection of Israel’s crimes. Anytime you see a person
>>> attacked by the Israel Lobby, you know for certain that the person under
>>> attack is the salt of the earth. The distinctive mark of a moral human
>>> being is to be attacked by the Israel Lobby and the presstitute American
>>> media.
>>> >>
>>> >>While Israel murders Palestinians in Gaza with attacks on hospitals,
>>> schools, and civilian apartment blocks, Washington and its puppets in Kiev
>>> attack civilians in apartment blocks in the former Russian provinces of
>>> Ukraine who object to Washington’s overthrow of the democratically elected
>>> government in Ukraine and Washington’s installation of a Russophobic
>>> Russian-hating government in its place.
>>> >>
>>> >>Washington has declared those in Ukraine who object to Washington’s
>>> takeover of their country to be “terrorists” and is seeking legislation
>>> that will permit US troops legally to enter Ukraine to suppress the
>>> “terrorists.”
>>> >>
>>> >>David Ward, a member of the British Parliament, who has the right as a
>>> British citizen and member of Parliament to express his opinion, said that
>>> if he lived in Gaza under Israeli oppression, he would likely fire a rocket
>>> into Israel.
>>> >>
>>> >>The British media and government is yet to criticize Israel for its
>>> crimes, but instantly attacked Ward for his “vile comments.” A Conservative
>>> member of Parliament, Nadhim Zahawi wrote the Metropolitan Police demanding
>>> an investigation into Ward’s statement “as a matter of urgency.” The
>>> Conservative party chairman Grant Shapps declared Ward’s statement to be an
>>> “incitement to violence,” a felony. The craven Labour Party declared Ward’s
>>> opinion to be “so vile and irresponsible” that “it defied belief.”
>>> http://rt.com/uk/174920-david-ward-israel-tweet/
>>> >>
>>> >>The Liberal Democrats of which Ward is a member “utterly condemned”
>>> Ward’s remarks and declared that Ward would be subject to disciplinary
>>> hearings and may permanently be expelled from the party.
>>> >>
>>> >>There you have it. A member of Parliament in the country that invented
>>> freedom of speech expresses an honest opinion, and he is dead meat. Ward’s
>>> harmless remarks killed no one. The Israelis with weapons supplied by
>>> Washington have, at this time of writing murdered more than 1,200 people.
>>> But it is Ward who must be restrained, not Israel. Ward’s remarks are
>>> declared “vile and irresponsible” but not Israel’s murder of 1,200 people.
>>> >>
>>> >>The US and UK pretend to be countries that are not afraid of the
>>> truth, where there is free inquiry and freedom to express one’s views, but
>>> it is all a great lie.
>>> >>
>>> >>The US and UK are the two greatest threats to free speech on the face
>>> of the earth. In the UK no truth contrary to the line is permissible. In
>>> the US people who speaks the truth is put on the Watch List.
>>> >>
>>> >>How much longer will the governments of the rest of the world regard
>>> the US and UK as homes of free speech and uplifting Western morality?
>>> >>
>>> >>In America the success of Israeli propaganda, never challenged of
>>> course by the US media, exceeds the success of Washington’s own propaganda.
>>> Most Americans believe that Palestinian women and children are outfitted
>>> with explosive suicide belts and that “the snakes,” as they are described
>>> by Israeli politicians, walk into Israeli cafes and blow everyone up
>>> including themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >>The fact of the matter is that Palestinians cannot get into Israel.
>>> Gaza is blockaded as are the few remaining Palestinian settlements in the
>>> West Bank. Israel has stolen almost all of Palestine. The few Palestinian
>>> settlements still permitted to exist are cut off by a massive wall from
>>> Israel and from each other by barbed wire and check points, cut off from
>>> hospitals and schools, from water, and from their fields and olive groves,
>>> which are being destroyed to make room for settlers‘ apartment blocks.
>>> >>
>>> >>People this hemmed in are helpless, and the extreme right-wing Israeli
>>> settlers are moving into the few remaining Palestinian settlements evicting
>>> the Palestinians from their properties with the aid of US-provided
>>> Caterpillar tractors especially designed for uprooting Palestinian olive
>>> groves and demolishing Palestinian houses, just like the Caterpillar
>>> tractor that the Israelis ran over US citizen Rachel Corrie, murdering this
>>> protesting US citizen in cold blood. Yes, you are correct, the Great Moral
>>> US government did nothing about it. Israel learned when it murdered the
>>> crew of the USS Liberty in 1967 that Israel had carte blanche from
>>> Washington to murder US citizens.
>>> >>
>>> >>When you view the photos of Palestinians who have undergone an Israeli
>>> attack, what do you see? You see unarmed people crying, hugging dead
>>> children in their arms and one another. You never see a resolute armed
>>> people prepared to repel the next Israeli attack. You see devastated
>>> hospitals, schools, and apartment complexes and Palestinians in tears and
>>> no weapons.
>>> >>
>>> >>What is striking about the success of Israeli propaganda is its
>>> success when all evidence is that Palestinians are pacifists, incapable of
>>> resistance. The bulk of the people in Gaza are refugees from the West Bank
>>> where their land and homes were stolen by the Great Democratic State of
>>> Israel. The Israeli destruction of Palestine has been going on for almost
>>> seven decades. And still Palestinians are not armed and have no effective
>>> military units.
>>> >>
>>> >>After seven decades the Palestinian people remain unarmed. Hamas has a
>>> few ineffective weapons, but the people themselves are unarmed. Their
>>> response to the Israeli murders of their children, wives, husbands,
>>> brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, and friends is to cry. This is not the
>>> response of a warlike people.
>>> >>
>>> >>In contrast, there are reports that Israeli civilians sit atop the
>>> hill overlooking Gaza on sofas that they bring along with their drinks and
>>> food and watch in glee, clapping and cheering as Israeli bombs destroy
>>> Palestinians in their homes, children in their schools, and the ill in
>>> hospitals. If this is the true face of “the only democracy in the Middle
>>> East,” it is the face of evil.
>>> >>
>>> >>The view brainwashed into the West that Palestinians are a threat to
>>> Israel is absurd. If Palestinians are a threat and a danger to Israel, how
>>> is it possible that Palestinians are locked away into sealed ghettos in the
>>> remnants of their own country or into refugee camps in foreign countries?
>>> >>
>>> >>As Israel’s most distinguished historian, Ilan Pappe, has related, the
>>> story of Israel is the story of “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” This
>>> story has been hidden by Western “moral” governments and by a corrupt
>>> Western media and “Christian” priests from Western populations that,
>>> possibly, would have objected, but who are now too brainwashed and
>>> disinformed to know.
>>> >>
>>> >>-RR
>>> >>____________________________________________________________
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>>> >
>>>
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