Try the letter z (as in zebra). That gets you to a rather complex table of symbols. Press <space> when you find the symbol you want. Take the time to gain some familiarity with this dialog. It is not particularly easy to use, but contains quite a collection. Dale -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of saeed Mirzazadeh Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:27 AM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] harmonics hi all. as you know, there are 2 kinds of harmonics for the strings: "natural and artificial". the natural is also used for woodwinds. for natural harmonics it should be written a cyrcle on the note that's intende, but for the artificial it has to be written the note in 2 octaves down which is intende and put the the diamond-sign on the forth up. for example: i want to have b6 in artificial harmonic sound, i have to write b4 and put a diamond-sign on the place of e5. the question is how can find these 2 signs: cyrcle for natural and diamond-sign for artificial harmonics? Regards, Saeed If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx