Dan, I hope I'm not making more busy work for you. I didn't know about the shift S for slur. If I did, I've forgotten about it. It makes sense when you think of it in terms of hairpins, though, except that whether a slur is above or below has no impact on the direction of the arc. So, I suppose, it's actually useless information since the direction of the slur is determined by the direction of the majority of the stems. Just to be thorough, I just tried that with my limited vision and JAWS turned off and all the above still holds true. So, more documentation. Best, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:45 PM To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Re: Direction of slur misread Wow, you don't do things by halves (grin). This one is a little complicated but there is a reason for what's going on. The message "slur above" or "slur below" depends on what keystroke you used to add the slur in the first place (S adds a slur above and SHIFT+sS adds a slur below). If you then flip the slur, it is a flipped slur above or a flipped slur below. Unfortunately, there is no hard and fast way to determine whether the slur has been flipped or not, even though there is in the case of notes. (There's a check box in the properties window which is checked if a notes stem is flipped, but it does nothing when a slur is selected.) The best solution is to use ALT+LEFT ARROW or ALT+RIGHT ARROW to move between the ancor points of the slur. When you reach the point called "curvature" you'll be given two numbers. These are the numbers shown in the properties window which represent the slurs curvature. Unfortunately, these numbers make very little sense. The likely hood is that if the second number is negative, then the slurs arc will be pointing down and if it is positive, it will be pointing up. You should be able to deduce from this whether you flipped the slur or not. You should note that the X and Y coordinates of the end points will always be zero, no matter what the flipped status is. Hope this helps, Dan Rugman Visit www.musicaccess.co.uk The new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of Sibelius Access. -----Original Message----- From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs Sent: 12 September 2008 19:23 To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sib-access] Direction of slur misread Dan, In my example where I'm adding items to notes, I threw in a slur. All the stems are up in this example and the slur is spoken as being above regardless of whether I've flipped the slurs arc. In fact, the arc of the slur is below the noteheads which are all on low staff lines. As a further experiment, I wrote some notes with stems down on upper staff lines and placed a slur. Again, the slur said "slur above," regardless of the direction of the slur's arc. In other words, you never hear "slur below." Thanks, Kevin If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx