For my own curiosity... I've seen the term 'correlation' used a lot when considering whether s-parameter simulation results (a.k.a. model results) agree with measurements. I am curious as to what people on this list generally consider as correlation. To achieve a measure of 'correlation', what I've personally observed being applied much of the time is a technique we call "The Eyeball Method." Use of this technique is often characterized by the user making some statement like "you can 'see*' that the measured and simulated insertion loss curves are right on top of each other." I'd say in the majority of papers I review this is the method employed. [*hence the reason we call it the eyeball method] Probably the next most common method I've seen is to take a scalar difference between a measured and simulated response, and allow the residual to be the measure of agreement. This is probably the second most used method in papers I review, and it is a very distant second (IMHO). We presented a method based on EVM a couple years ago which maintains the vector nature of the data to a degree. It was meant to compare a simulation to a distribution of measurements, but has also been applied to one measurement vs. one simulation comparisons. There are other methods we've described in past papers, and I believe that all of these methods have their place. I don't think I could describe them as well as I can if I hadn't used them all myself, so I don't feel as if I am picking on anyone by asking a question. What I am curious about from this list is: 1. What method do you use to quantitatively describe the agreement between simulated and measured s-parameters? Any comments? Thanks, -Brett Brett Grossman Sr. Staff SI Engineer Signal Integrity Pathfinding - Sort Test Technology Development [cid:image001.gif@01CA9DA3.2E08F710]<http://www.linkedin.com/in/brettgrossman> ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu