In time domain, the critical factor is the ratio between signal rise time (NOT the clock frequency or data rate) and the path propagation delay. Basically, the moment the path delay approaches some fraction of the signal rise time, you will see transient effects (reflections etc.) and you can no longer consider the whole structure as lumped. There isn't a generally valid number for that critical ratio, as it depends on numerous factors, e.g. your system's tolerance for waveform aberrations, your accuracy requirements, the size and location of discontinuities, but the typical range is about from 1:3 to 1:20. E.g. for accurate simulations you may want to make sure that none of the lumped components in your simulation produces delay exceeding 1/20th of your signal rise time, but if all that you are after is avoidance of severe waveform distortion but not much more you may get away with stubs in your path that are up to 1/4th of your rise time. In the frequency domain the wavelength of the highest frequency of interest takes the place of the rise time. E.g. most frequency domain simulation tools will at least issue a warning if your cell size exceeds 1/20th of that wavelengths. Wolfgang Rama Mohan Reddy Boreddy <mohan.svuce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 09/20/2009 11:52 PM To si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [SI-LIST] When a signal is considered high speed signal Hi, Can anyone tell when a signal is considered as a high speed signal? Is there any definition for high speed signal in time domain and frequency domain? I know that a rise time and PCB trace/Interconnect legth is one of the parameters to define a signal as high speed signal. Can any body provide me the formula Can any body share a FAQ on high speed signals and Cross talk Regards, Rama Mohan Reddy ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu