Group, =20 Designing two layer boards for SI and especially EMI is an art. Two = hints might help: =20 1) You can use slow signals as returns for fast ones by adding = capacitors to the ends of the slow trace. This way it is an RF return = (via the capacitors). =20 2) Stiching the grounds together is the most important part for = controlling the return currents. It may require using 7mil vias or alike = and some traces might be bridged using zero Ohm resistors.=20 =20 A lot more time needs to be spend in understanding the optimal placement = of components such that return currents can be controlled and that no, = or as few as possible critical ground gaps occur. =20 David Pommerenke ________________________________ From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Ram Chundru Sent: Wed 4/25/2007 1:53 PM To: sunil_bharadwaz@xxxxxxxxx; SI LIST Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Two Layer routing Sunil, With not a lot of field containment possible, both of them are much = worse in a two layer board. Which one is more troublesome depends on the = impedances of the source and the victim circuits. However, with all the = large loops formed by the traces to route the signals, inductive = crosstalk could be more troublesome. This also results in increased = emissions and susceptibility too. =20 Thanks, Ram=20 sunil bharadwaz <sunil_bharadwaz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Friends , PCB routing in a two layer PCB with out power planes is definitely not advisable.Noisy ,EMI ..... I believe cross talk will be worse too.Is the capacitive coupling or the inductive coupling which makes the cross talk bad in the two = layer cases ? Could some one pls explain this. Thanks in advance!! regards Sunil . Bh --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net <http://www.si-list.net/>=20 List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu Ram Chundru System Level ESD Engineer Texas Instruments Inc. 12500 TI Blvd, MS 8734 Dallas, TX 75243 Phone: 214-480-1654 www.emc-engineer.com =20 =20 --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net <http://www.si-list.net/>=20 List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu