Hi Brett, Facetious? Maybe, but you illustrate precisely the point I was trying to make, and the trap we repeatedly fall into! Touche! Regards, -Rob Hinz At 10:07 AM 11/28/2001 -0800, Grossman, Brett wrote: >Rob, > >To add another philosophical layer, you may want to restate your final >comment as 'Reality will prevail'. > >It could be said that Physics attempts to model reality based on >observations (a body of organized knowledge about the things and forces in >the universe based on experimentation and observation - if anyone else on >the list was forced to memorize that definition, give me a call and I'll >quote a soliloquy from Hamlet that ought to rekindle some memories). > >Otherwise, we might have to say that 'reality' changed when Einstein came >along (at least the 'reality' as defined by Newton). It probably wasn't the >reality that changed only our interpretation of reality. > >Sorry, I am being facetious - but sometimes I can't resist. > >Nice examples. > >Regards, > >-Brett > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Hinz [mailto:rob@xxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:48 AM >To: sainath@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Si-list is one awesome avenue to learn and >contribute to Signal Integrity > > > >Sainath > >A couple things you might consider, Maxwell's equations work very well for >describing the average effects of many photons. When you start looking at >the quantum level effects of small numbers of photons they don't work so >well. They also predict that TEM waves in free space will propagate in a >straight line but we know that the direction of propagation is effected by >gravitational fields. > >The question Chris was responding to was a philosophical one, comparing how >we model reality to reality itself. While we may be able to gain >significant insight from a good mathematical model, it remains just that. >Physics will prevail. > >Rob Hinz >Senior Electromagnetics Specialist >SiQual Corporation >rob@xxxxxxxxxx >phone (503)885-1231 >fax (503)885-0550 >http://www.siqual.com > >A >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > Rob Hinz Senior Electromagnetics Specialist SiQual Corporation rob@xxxxxxxxxx phone (503)885-1231 fax (503)885-0550 http://www.siqual.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu