Greetings fellow SI engineers, For high speed analysis of serial links, my understanding is that you would want to use a data pattern that would excite and replicate different ISI effects in simulation. Before lengthening my simulation time, or turning to mathematical solutions in MATLAB(or similar products), or new techniques such as Channel Analysis that I'm sure the list is aware of by now, I would like to know if there are any techniques that you use to define a channel/topology specific stimulus to exacerbate the majority of these ISI effects so that the inner and outer most contours of the eye would be defined even within a relatively short(or reasonable) simulation time. Specifically if you use 8b/10b encoding there is a limit on the number of 1s or 0s that your stimulus should have. Outside of that, is there a relation between channel length to Bit pattern length? Or channel length to max number of 1s/0s? Or bit width to pattern relationship? How about running a TDR type simulation on the actual channel.... is there any useful data from the results as it relates to derivation of an exhaustive data pattern? I know I'm fishing here but my gut tells me that there must be some type of methodology or relation that exists instead of just using this "PRBS" pattern that I have sitting in a file for use in all serial simulation cases. Thanks, Simba ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu