John and others, Thanks for replying, In Dr Johnson's book he has some worst case figures for cat 5E wire. Its stated that Ro = 1.253 ohms/m and zo = 85ohms ( you rightly stated) From equation 3.115 this gives, Attenuation = 20.4 db/100m You said that you would need to include the DC losses. These are DC attenuation = 4.34 *(Rdc / Z0) worst case Rdc = 0.1876 ohm/m from Dr J DC attenuation = 0.958 ohm/100m This is the attenuation in the RC region. Can you just add the two figures together? the skin effect resistance formula does not have this included? This would give 21.36db/100m + dielectric losses Chris Chris, Figure 8.2 page 464 is based on the EIA568B specification, and are the worst case values for a CAT5E cable, this corresponds to the data from Addison cables :- http://www.addison-tech.com/Addison%20Product%20Specification%20Download/Eng lish%20Version/Lan%20Cable/UTP%20CAT5E%20CABLE.pdf Cat 5E cable has Zo(min) = 85 Ohms (100Ohms +/- 15) so 3.115 yeilds Loss = 19.2dB/100m add in the DC loss (0.17Ohms/m) and dielectric losses and you'll be in the right ball park Regards John Chris Chalmers wrote: >Si List, > I have been trying to calculate the attenuation in the skin effect > loss region of a piece of CAT 5E cable operating at 100MHz however >I am not happy with the answer I am getting. I am working from Dr Johnson's >High > speed Signal Propagation Book. I am not sure whether I am > applying the formula correctly. > > I have tried to take the example in the HSSP book to , > calulate the attenuation ( in the skin effect region) at 100MHz for Cat >5E cable. > > taking Ro = 1.189ohms/m 24 AWG from formula on page 461 > and wo = 10MHz > > attenuation in skin effect region from page 192 > > attenuation db/m = 4.34 (Ro/Zo) * SQRT(w/wo) (equation Equation 3.115) > > = 4.34 (1.189/100) * SQRT ( (2x PI x 100000000)/ >2 x PI 10000000) > = 4.34 (0.01189) * 3.1623 > = 0.163 db/m > > From the graph on page 464 for cat 5E, the attenuation looks like >22db/100m > not 16.3 db/100m like I have calculated. > > The example in the book works out the values Ro and Wo for Cat 3 cable >but I > can't see how the terms in it could be any different for Cat 5E cable >since the > terms in it are mostly to do with the AWG of the wire. > > I am possibly being very silly here but any help you can provide me with > would help loads. > > For those of you who don't have this excellent book, a sample chapter of >this > book is available at http://www.phptr.com/articles/article.asp?p=101149. > Well worth buying! > > Best Regards > > Chris > ********************************************************************** This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). Please note that any unauthorised distribution, copying or use of this communication, or the information in it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by email, by telephone: +44 1383 828800, or fax: +44 1383 828801, then delete the email and any copies of it. This communication is from CRL Opto Ltd., whose registered office is at 1 St David's Business Park, Dalgety Bay, Dunfermline, KY11 9PF, Scotland. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu