Thanks, Paul, you are correct: Td must be much shorter than the rise time for the lumped element to be valid, of course. The rest of my reasoning still applies. -Dima ----- Original Message ----- From: <pikeda@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Lumped Interconnect Modelling > > Hi Stradlin, > > You are right in that the Td < Tr/10 is the rule that Dima probably meant > to say but I think you are still confused by the reason why. I think Bart > got it right. To put it simply, the longer the trace, the longer the delay, > and the farther out in time the ringing in the signal will occur and the > less setup and hold time you will have. Also the more the impedance > mismatch, the higher the amplitude of the noise and the more reflections > before it dampens out. That is why the rule is subjective. If you have a > driver, trace, and receiver that is pretty close in impedance you can > loosen up on the rule to 1/6Tr or even 1/2Tr. If your driver impedance is > low and the trace impedance is high you may use 1/15 Tr. It is just a > matter of how bad the noise is by the time you look at the signal. > > Paul > > > > > Stradlin Donald <stradlin_03@xxxxxxxxx>@freelists.org on 08/05/2003 > 05:42:13 PM > > Please respond to si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > cc: > > Subject: [SI-LIST] Lumped Interconnect Modelling > > Hi: > > May be what you mean is : Even Tr/10 >> Td and so, eventually when the > whole of Tr happens, it is equivalent to traversing the interconnect length > 10 times. This is the most conservative approach. May be the equation > mis-guided me. > > If there is anything that I am not understanding properly, kindly do > correct it. > > Thanks, > Strad. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu