[SI-LIST] Re: Less than 100 ohms differential impedance

  • From: "Bill Hargin" <billh@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <binayaks@xxxxxxxxx>, <jean-pierre.bouthemy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:41:06 -0700

And - adding to Binayak's comment - pay attention to termination values and 
your connector impedances, which will be 100 ohms more often than not.  The 
lower speeds can typically handle a short impedance discontinuity from the 
board to a connector, but you'd want to simulate the high-speed signals, making 
sure to model the discontinuities and terminations.

Bill Hargin 
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-----Original Message-----
From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of 
Binayak Shrestha
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 10:41 AM
To: jean-pierre.bouthemy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Si-list <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Less than 100 ohms differential impedance

Just add to my previous comment....some high speed interface demand  a 
particular impedance. Make sure you go through the spec properly on to see if 
you can change them or not.
On Tue, 25 Aug, 2020, 11:08 pm Binayak Shrestha, <binayaks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jean,

IF you are able to maintain a constant uniform impedance environment
from the driver pads to the receiver pads, it should be fine....BUT
pay attention to the "IF condition" very carefully.

- binayak

On Tue, 25 Aug, 2020, 3:33 pm BOUTHEMY Jean-Pierre, <
jean-pierre.bouthemy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello SI experts,
I have many differential pairs in my design that should be matched to
Zdiff = 100 ohms on the PCB.

But my stackup has very thin dielectric material and I won't be able
to reach more than 80 ohms differential impedance.
This is typical value, thus I can expect Zdiff to be as low as 70 ohms.

I would like to know the electrical and functional impact of
Zdiffp-80 ohms on following differential signals:


o   LVDS 100Mbps

o   Ethernet 100Base-TX

o   Ethernet 1000Base-BX (Xilinx Multi-Gigabit Transceiver)

o   Ethernet SGMII (Xilinx Multi-Gigabit Transceiver)

o   25MHz LVDS Clock

o   200MHz LVDS clock

o   125MHz AC-coupled LVPECL clock

Thank you for your answers.
Regards.



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