[SI-LIST] Re: Job Opening at Wipro Technologies - an opinion
- From: olaney@xxxxxxxx
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- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:21:35 -0700
It's a sign of boredom. Give it a rest.
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:00:51 -0700 "Vadim Heyfitch" <heyfitch@xxxxxxxx>
writes:
> I find it particularly interesting how few subscribes of this
> list have
> voiced their opinion on this post - coming on either side on the
> argument.
> Hardly anyone in Silicon Valley I've spoken with is indifferent on
> this
> subject.
> Whether the reluctance to speak up your mind is a sign of fear
> or
> desperation, it only corroborates agathon's statement about the U.S.
> decline
> as a technological superpower, as well as a functioning democracy
> (my own
> conjecture). Engineers have no power/leverage in the U.S. Congress -
> corporations do. Engineers seem to have resigned to this fact and
> most just
> hope that his/her job will be the last to be axed and moved
> off-shore... and
> if we keep quiet we may be rewarded for "good behavior" by a few
> more
> month(?) or years (?) of employment. And so we march to the gallows,
> in
> silence, hectically calculating what an alternative career path
> might we
> find available (open a coffee shop?, a restaurant?, teach high
> school math?,
> import kitchen cabinets from China, else?)
> Should there be more wars for natural resources - oil/gas/etc -
> the U.S.
> will be just one of several superpowers - not THE superpower. When
> this time
> comes, which may happen much sooner than we wish, - the U.S. will
> find
> itself imperiled by inability of Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin,
> Raytheon, and likes to find and hire quality engineers.
> Unfortunately, the
> U.S. gov does not get it; instead, in its myopic wisdom, it bows to
> the
> pressures from corporation, who fund election campaigns of our
> elected
> officials.
>
> To Ray: I know this topic falls outside of the boundaries of a
> purely
> technical discussion. However, it's quite relevant/interesting to a
> good
> number of the list membership - all those in the U.S. for sure.
> After all,
> we do tolerate trivial /banal questions from the new members -
> mostly from
> India and China - and replies from numerous U.S. consultants , who
> use the
> list for self-promotion and contract solicitation. So we should be
> as
> tolerant of some non-technical yet relevant to the membership
> discussions as
> well.
> Vadim
>
>
>
>
> *agathon <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:08:10 -0700
> From: agathon <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: ***[Possible UCE]*** [SI-LIST] Re: Job Opening at Wipro
> Technologies
> CC: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is interesting. Let's assume this job posting is real.
> After years of displacing U.S. citizens via fraudulent use of H-1B
> _and_ L-1
> visas, Wipro has the cajones to post, right in our face, an
> offer of employment in India. No quantity of rupees could
> compensate.
>
> Now, some obvious questions arise.
>
> What U.S. citizen are they expecting to hire? If they don't expect
> to, as
> anyone can subscribe to the si-list, then what non-U.S. citizen from
> what
> country would want such a job location? No, the U.S. - as we know -
> is a
> declining place, so suddenly not producing enough engineers and
> other
> professionals, it's like the bubonic plague by God, for which India
> and
> China had to come to the rescue. But, I don't think your typical
> U.S.
> citizen engineer would take very well to the corruption over there
> and stark
> class society.
>
> So, why is Wipro having an issue filling the job with the 'superior'
> non-U.S
> .
> citizen worker?
>
> Hmmm... possibly is the targeted candidate Indian? Might they be in
> the
> U.S.? Are there no direct means within India to find such a person?
> Evidently not. And evidently a shortage exists within Wipro and
> wherever
> their tentacles reach. Wait, I thought - as the Indian (and U.S.,
> unfortunately) press trumpet - the Indian engineer is so much better
> and
> they produce masses of them? What's the problem finding an Indian
> engineer
> who also knows a little physics? Gee whiz. So sad.
>
> I've just heard (BBC I think) that U.S. companies are closing Indian
> operations. And, the Indian edge is decreasing due to costs. So,
> don't
> offer the weak crap that it's demand that's causing the Wipro
> posting.
> Intel is going to Vietnam, instead. Yep, the race to the bottom.
> Even the
> Indians might actually catch a clue sometime soon. Americans? No;
> too deep
> in sleep. I have NEVER met an H-1B/L-1 who could contribute to any
> SI
> effort and, at Intel on one occasion, only contributed to negative
> productivity.
>
> More likely, Wipro and the like are starting to retrench and build
> the home
> base. Especially since the H-1B cap wasn't raised. The rampant fraud
> in
> India has drained off alot of the H-1B slots, leaving Wipro high and
> dry.
> Well, waddya know, the law of supply and demand does exist. Just not
> in the
> usual way. Yee ha!!
>
> "Fraudsters walk away with H1B visas!"
> http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=2421&tstart=0
> "Glen Keiser, Consular Section Chief, US Consulate, Mumbai said, "We
> have
> found to our regret that Hyderabad and Bangalore are centres of H1B
> visa
> fraud and that it is not difficult to walk into an operation and
> someone
> rather forthrightly tell you that they can produce anything to
> appear to
> qualify for an H1B visa...". The link at the above link has Indian
> tv video
> describing Wipro's Woes.
>
> The 5% of their GDP that is tech exports (incl. services) is not
> growing as
> in the past and the nervousness doth rear its ugly head. Plus, the
> only way
> to exploit the L-1 visa is to have personnel employed at a "home
> base",
> ready for transfer to the U.S. - without any protections for U.S.
> citizens
> whatsoever (not even any H-1B fig leaf protection).
>
> So, this is a rich thought... Like my mom always said, "the truth
> will
> out". And it cometh right quick. So I say India should legislate a
> US-1
> visa whereby we foreigners may be imported to save the ship. At an
> appropriate premium, of course. But, that might have to wait until
> AFTER
> our Congress has devolved us further, maybe into 3rd World status.
>
> Obviously, since India is apparently incapable of producing someone
> skilled
> enough, Wipro is counting on past H-1B exploitation of Indians &
> Americans
> having produced someone who can do this work from their U.S.
> experience
> _and_ who now wants to work in Bangalore, ready to continue taking
> work from
>
> U.S. citizens, or others, in their own country. That takes balls.
> And a
> U.S. Congress bought and paid for.
>
>
>
> On 6/29/07, praveen.srikantaiah@xxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Wipro Technologies' SI group is looking for an SI engineer with
> around 10
> > years of experience. The job is based out of Bangalore, India.
> Below is
> the
> > job description. If interested email me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Praveen
> >
> >
> > Roles & Responsibilities
> > PCB stack-up definition, PCB material selection, and layer
> assignment as
> > per Signal Integrity / Cross talk requirements.
> > Do pre-layout and post-layout signal Integrity analysis for
> various
> > boards.
> > Review analysis results and all checks as per guidelines needed by
> Wipro
> > and client specifications.
> > Review Signal quality measurement results and tune models/
> methodology
> > accordingly.
> > Develop/Enhance/Update methodology based on advancements in Signal
> > Integrity / Design complexity. Designs will be in various domains
> like
> > Telecom, Computing, Embedded, Automotive, Consumer Electronics
> etc.
> > Skills, Job Requirements
> >
> > Hands on experience in execution of high speed signal integrity
> analysis
> > and cross talk analysis on High frequency boards involving
> different types
> > of models - IBIS, Spice, SLM/MLM/ICM.
> >
> > Detailed experience with multiple tools like Spectraquest,
> Hyperlynx,
> > Hspice, ICX etc. required.
> > Experience in doing IBIS model validation, Signal Integrity
> Analysis of
> > PCI express, XAUI or similar interfaces is a must.
> > Experience in doing multi board simulations is an added advantage.
> > Must have experience in High Speed/ Gigabit speed Signal Quality
> > measurements.
>
>
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