[SI-LIST] Re: Impedance Controlled Board Production Vs Normal Board Production
- From: "Ken Cantrell" <Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Mikhail Matusov" <matusov@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:36:09 -0700
Mikhail,
I'm not disputing anything that you said, just pointing out that:
"If I, as a designer, know the process and materials used by the particular
manufacturer
well enough" is a big If. That's a mature designer talking. Not something
a relative beginner would know or even be able to accomplish.
2cents
Ken
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Impedance Controlled Board Production Vs Normal
Board Production
I don't think those who responded understood the question correctly. I think
the OP was asking whether some degree of impedance control can be achieved
by precisely specifying the board's stackup, width of the traces, and
process tolerances without explicitly asking the manufacturer to control
impedance. For some applications it just boils down to the cost. If I, as a
designer, know the process and materials used by the particular manufacturer
well enough I should be able to specify the board in such a way that the
impedance will end up in the right ballpark. In fact, I use this method for
non-critical designs.
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From: "Loyer, Jeff" <jeff.loyer@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:22 AM
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Impedance Controlled Board Production Vs Normal Board
Production
> Perhaps I'm the only one who is finding it ironic that, on a "Signal
> Integrity" reflector list, "Impedance Controlled" isn't considered
> "Normal". I haven't had the luxury of not specifying impedance control
> since a small 33MHz PCI card design, many years ago.
>
> I'm afraid Jayasuryan that you won't find the answer you're looking for on
> an e-mail thread, or it is going to be a long, drawn out, painful affair.
> You have a lot of work to do to understand what impedance control is and
> how it relates to signal integrity. I would recommend starting with the
> books that have been listed many times on this list. You can also search
> the archives for "impedance control" to find discussions about different
> opinions on how much is enough.
>
> Good luck in the new year,
> Jeff Loyer
>
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> On Behalf Of steve weir
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:23 AM
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Impedance Controlled Board Production Vs Normal
> Board Production
>
> Suppose as you like. Hope as you might. What you don't contract is not
> guaranteed.
>
> Steve.
> On 1/2/2012 5:56 AM, Jayasuryan KG wrote:
>> Dear Experts,
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year!!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have question regarding the impedance controlled board production!
>> Is there any special process to produce impedance controlled board
>>
>> rather than the normal production?
>>
>>
>>
>> Suppose if I go with normal production for a impedance controlled board
>> (the design has been done to meet the impedance) what are the possible
>> issues can happen?
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for your immediate response. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> - Jayasuryan
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