Hi both parameters apply to read transactions, both describe the total max output skew (t_skew) of the data/DQS. t_DQSQ is used in setup budget, while t_QHS is used in hold analysis. one way of doing the setup and the hold analysis for DDRx memories: t_x_margin = t_HP - t_skew - t_other_effects regards, Istvan Nagy CCT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lijun" <june_lee@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <vital_hncs@xxxxxxxxxx>; <sujingguo@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:06 AM Subject: [SI-LIST] How to distiguish tQHS and tDQSQ > Hi experts; > > We have a problem for timing analyze, There are two timing parameters > in Hynix DDR2 memory datasheet. the detailed description is as followed. > what are the differences? > Appricated any replies. > > tQHS accounts for: > 1) The pulse duration distortion of on-chip clock circuits; and > 2) The worst case push-out of DQS on one transition followed by the worst > case pull-in of DQ on the > next transition, both of which are, separately, due to data pin skew and > output pattern effects, and > p-channel to n-channel variation of the output drivers. > > > tDQSQ: Consists of data pin skew and output pattern effects, and p-channel > to n-channel variation of the > output drivers as well as output slew rate mismatch between DQS/ DQS and > associated DQ in any given cycle. > > Lijun > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 本邮件及其附件含有华为公司的保密信息,仅限于发送给上面地址中列出的个人或群组。禁止任何其他人以任何形式使用(包括但不限于全部或部分地泄露、复制、或散发)本邮件中的信息。如果您错收了本邮件,请您立即电话或邮件通知发件人并删除本邮件! > This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from > HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is > listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way > (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, > or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is > prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > by phone or email immediately and delete it! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu