As Rick suggested, there are other tools to analyze eye openings and various types of jitter that may be preventing your system from communicating properly. Analysis techniques include decomposing the measured probability density function of the transitions of your data stream into portions that are due to random or deterministic causes. This can be taken to many extremes, but given that you are having a problem with a printed circuit board, it may be as simple as the data dependent distortions due to the lossy PCB traces. Other companies, as well, have a lot of information to apply to your problem. I know of great work at Agilent using their DCA-type scopes, LeCroy using their deep memory capture ability as well as at our company, SyntheSys Research, using our BERTScope instrument. There is also a lot of information to be found at the various standards bodies having to do with jitter effects of lossy cables or PCBs (including standards for Ethernet, serial-ATA, PCI-express, fiber-channel, etc.). Best Regards, Tom Waschura, SyntheSys Research, Inc. www.synthesysresearch.com tom_waschura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Baze, Rick Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:21 AM To: zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: How to analyze jitter of data Go to www.wavecrest.com and check out their application notes and = technical papers. Wavecrest is the jitter expert in electrical and = optical applications. Regards, Rick Baze -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Zhangkun Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:06 AM To: si-list Subject: [SI-LIST] How to analyze jitter of data Dear all: Recently, I meet one problem about optic fiber. Two PCB could not = correctly communicate. The measured result showed that the jtter of the = optical signal is too large. Now I am measuring the spectrum electrical = input of the optic module. If the signal is clock-like, I could analyze the jitter by checking the = sideband. Currently, the signal is of data. How to analyze the spectrum = in order to find out what is the reason for jitter? Best Regards Zhangkun 2005.1.19 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu