Hello Sol,=0D=0AThank you for your detailed reply=2E Is it possib= le that not enough heating during the reflow caused, in some exte= nt, too cold soldering and due to that bad wetting of the Ni fol= lowed by oxidation of the Ni pad=2E The phenomena may look the sa= me after removing the components, black unwetted pad, but in this= case the reason is the assembly house and not the PCB manufactur= ing=2E =0D=0A=0D=0AThanks,=0D=0AGil Zilber=0D=0AElta system Ltd=2E= =0D=0ATel=2E +972-8-8577240=0D=0AMobile +972-54-4983222=0D=0Ahttp= ://www=2Eiai=2Eco=2Eil/site/en/iai=2Easp?pi=3D17887=0D=0A =0D=0A=0D= =0A=0D=0A-----Original Message-----=0D=0AFrom: Sol Tatlow [mailto= :Sol=2ETatlow@prodesigncad=2Ede] =0D=0ASent: Wednesday, June 29,=20= 2005 11:38 AM=0D=0ATo: Zilber Gil; billw@aec-lab=2Ecom; si-list=0D= =0ASubject: Re: Fixing a black pad=0D=0A=0D=0AHi Gil,=0D=0A=0D=0A= The 'Black Pad' phenomonen is well known in the industry - the ro= ot of the problem is generally the nickel plating applied during=20= the ENIG (electroless nickel immersion gold) plating process, whe= re a corroded nickel layer leads to weak solder joints after asse= mbly=2E=0D=0AThis phenomonen therefore only affects boards with E= NIG plating, and although reflow temperature/profiles may exacerb= ate the problem, they are not the real cause=2E=0D=0A=0D=0AThe wo= rst part is, you cannot detect it optically before assembly - it=20= only becomes apparent when the joints fail, as you found out=2E=0D= =0AAnd, if you have this problem with one board, you will most li= kely have more boards coming back to you with the same problem, s= ince it is related to the plating bath (which was no doubt used t= o produce a whole batch of your boards)=2E=0D=0A=0D=0AAFTER failu= re, there is not too much you can do about it - with an aggressiv= e flux you may succeed in soldering the component back onto the b= oard, but since the problem is with the nickel plating (which, du= e to corrosion, allows the copper underneath to interact with the= joint), reworks are likely to suffer a similar fate (even if the= reworked component SEEMS to be properly soldered)=2E PLUS, even=20= if only one BGA on the board has failed, if there are others, the= y are also likely to fail at some point=2E The safest solution, i= f also the most expensive (short term!), is to replace the board=2E= =0D=0A=0D=0AFor the future, since finding a PCB manufacturer who=20= can produce a reliable ENIG finish is easier said than done (not=20= because they don't exist, rather, because you only know if they w= eren't reliable when they prove it!!), for the future you may wan= t to consider immersion tin or silver=2E These have other disadva= ntages (there is no perfect surface finish), but they tend to giv= e overall better results=2E=0D=0AThe best thing to do is do some=20= Googling/reading about the subject, and decide on the basis of yo= ur specific needs=2E=0D=0A____________________________________=0D= =0ASol Tatlow, M=2EEng=2E (Oxon)=0D=0AProDesign Electronic & CAD=20= Layout GmbH=0D=0AProduct Developer=0D=0AAlbert-Mayer-Str=2E 16=0D= =0AD-83052 Bruckmuehl=0D=0APhone: +49 (0) 8062-808-302=0D=0AFax:=20= +49 (0) 8062-808-333=0D=0AMailto:sol=2Etatlow@prodesign-europe=2E= com=0D=0Awww=2Eprodesign-europe=2Ecom=0D=0A______________________= ______________ =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachr= icht-----=0D=0AVon: si-list-bounce@freelists=2Eorg [mailto:si-lis= t-bounce@freelists=2Eorg] Im Auftrag von Zilber Gil=0D=0AGesendet= : Dienstag, 28=2E Juni 2005 16:33=0D=0AAn: billw@aec-lab=2Ecom; s= i-list=0D=0ABetreff: [SI-LIST] Re: Fixing a black pad=0D=0A=0D=0A= =0D=0AHello Bill,=0D=0AThanks for the response=2E The pad finishi= ng was ENIG and the BGA have SnPb solder balls=2E I saw the Black= pad only after removing the BGA components that was mounted more= then a year ago (due to disconnections)=2E Is it possible that i= t is not a real black pad but too low reflow temp in this compone= nts (partially could soldering) causing to oxidation of the Ni?=0D= =0A=0D=0AThanks,=0D=0AGil =0D=0A=0D=0A-----Original Message-----=0D= =0AFrom: si-list-bounce@freelists=2Eorg [mailto:si-list-bounce@fr= eelists=2Eorg]=0D=0AOn Behalf Of Bill Wurst=0D=0ASent: Tuesday, J= une 28, 2005 2:46 PM=0D=0ATo: si-list=0D=0ASubject: [SI-LIST] Re:= Fixing a black pad=0D=0A=0D=0AGil,=0D=0A=0D=0AI'm wondering if t= he black pad is silver (Ag) oxide=2E Have you recently switched=20= to lead (Pb) free processing? Or worse, has your BGA vendor begu= n to supply you with lead free parts without your knowledge? =0D=0A= Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to silver= solder processes, but would like to hear from anyone else with m= ore knowledge than I in this area=2E We may all need to learn ab= out this quickly as the electronics industry makes the lead-free=20= transition=2E=0D=0A=0D=0A -Bill=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A /****= ********************************=0D=0A / billw@aec-l= ab=2Ecom /=0D=0A / =20= /=0D=0A / Advanced Electronic Concepts, LLC /=0D=0A / =20= www=2Eaec-lab=2Ecom /=0D=0A ***********************= *************=0D=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D=0AZi= lber Gil wrote:=0D=0A> Hello all,=0D=0A> After removing a BGA com= ponents a black pads was seen on some of the =0D=0A> pads=2E Is i= t possible to fix it? If trying to use activated flux it is =0D=0A= > possible to coat the pad with solder (receive back the wetting)= =2E Does =0D=0A> the black pad phenomenon will appear again on th= is pad (will I =0D=0A> encounter it later on other pads?)?=0D=0A>= =0D=0A> =0D=0A> =0D=0A> Thanks,=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Gil Zilber=0D=0A= > =0D=0A> Elta systems=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThis message is pro= cessed by the PrivaWall Email Security Server=2E =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A The information contained in this communicatio= n is proprietary to Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd=2E =0D=0Aand/o= r third parties, may contain confidential or privileged informati= on, and is intended only for =0D=0Athe use of the intended addres= see thereof=2E If you are not the intended addressee, please be a= ware =0D=0Athat any use, disclosure, distribution and/or copying=20= of this communication is strictly prohibited=2E=0D=0AIf you recei= ve this communication in error, please notify the sender immediat= ely and delete it from =0D=0Ayour computer=2E Thank you=2E =0D=0A= =0D=0A=0D=0AThis message is processed by the PrivaWall Email Secu= rity Server=2E =0D=0A=0D=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu