Do you really need two Power planes? If not, start with stackup2 and make L5 GND. Then make the dielectric thickness between layer 3 and 4, and layer 5 and 6 much ticker than the others (more than 2x). This gives you a symetrical balanced stack with GND as return for all signals including PWR, and you get the desireable interplane capacitance between PWR and GND for high-frequency decoupling. Combined with generously distributed GND vias, this stack will give you good return without having to think too much. In this configuration, it is almost benign to cut up the PWR plane in all kinds of interdigitated shapes so that many PWR domains can be accomodated on a single plane. If you have so many PWR domains that this is difficult you should think twice about using PWR as return for anything. Copper can carry a lot of current, so you normally would not need two planes for that reason, and you can increase the current carrying capability with higher copper weight on internal layers. This stack-up has worked very well for me. ________________________________________________ Haldor Husby, Senior Development Engineer Data Respons Norge AS Kongsberg Næringspark P.O. Box 1022 N-3601 Kongsberg, Norway Tel: +47 32 29 94 00 Fax: +47 32 29 94 40 Dir: +47 32 29 94 18 Mob: +47 48 04 83 68 haldor.husby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kindt, Jan Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:26 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] PCB layer stackup Hi, I need to specify a 8layer board. Fastest edges on the board are on the 600Mbit LVDS channels : about 500ps. I have two stackups in mind : stackup 1 stackup 2 --------------------------------------------------------- L1 routing routing Substrate L2 power plane GND Substrate L3 power plane routing Substrate L4 GND power plane Substrate L5 routing power plane Substrate L6 routing routing Substrate L7 GND GND Substrate L8 routing routing Stackup 1 has the advantage that all routing on L5, L6 and L8 is referenced to GND. We need to push the LVDS channels over a board to board connector. On the board to board connector, there are GND's between separate pairs. So we keep the same reference to GND over the connector. Stackup 2 is the stackup I would normally use due to it's symmetry. Signals on L3 and L6 are referenced to both GND and a power plane. But I don't know why I would need to favour stackup 2 over stackup 1. Can you comment om which stackup is most preferred ? Or what are the drawbacks/advantages of one stackup to another. best regards, Jan DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, the information contained in this message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message and/or attachments is strictly prohibited. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Furthermore, the company does not warrant a proper and complete transmission of this information, nor does it accept liability for any delays. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu