Hi Pradeep, Please let me add my thoughts on this, as my main research area are upsets in digital systems caused by ESD. I will comment on the RF components that cause the disturbance and on how to exactly locate the traces that are disturbed, forcing you system to reboot. One should not overlook the transient fields caused by ESD generators', it is a simplification to only look at the injected current of an ESD generator. Normally, the transient fields contain much stronger RF components, relative to the injected current, (see http://web.umr.edu/~davidjp/paper/01362865.pdf fig. 1 for an explanation of the reasons). The RF components reach many GHz. While most ESD generators inject somewhat similar currents there are very large differences between ESD generators' transient fields. The strength of the RF depends on which brand ESD generator you use. The currents and the fields (guided by metallic surfaces) will enter your system at gaps around the USB connector and cause surface currents on the boards, voltages between "grounds" etc. inducing narrow pulses on many different traces and wires within your system. Please check the following paper to obtain an impression on the transient fields and the variations between generators. http://web.umr.edu/~davidjp/publications.html Paper: Characterization of human metal ESD reference discharge event and =20 correlation of generator parameters to failure levels-part II:=20 correlation of generator parameters to failure levels Kai Wang; Pommerenke, D.; Chundru, R.; Van Doren, T.; Centola,=20 F.P.; Jiu Sheng Huang; Electromagnetic Compatibility, IEEE Transactions on Volume 46, Issue 4, Nov. 2004 Page(s):505 - 511 Figure 3. At first I suggest to understand why you system reboots. Most likely, it is not a disturbance to the USB, but the fields of the ESD, guided by the current densities on the metallic parts couple into some sensitive lines.=20 I suggest to locate those traces, and to filter these traces, probably not the USB lines. We have good experience with the method for finding such traces as it is outlined in http://web.umr.edu/~davidjp/publications.html Paper: Finding the root cause of an ESD upset event Pommerenke, D; Jayong Koo, Giorigi Muchadze DesignCom 2006, Santa Clara, Feb. 2006 Once you know the sensitive lines I suggest analyzing them: Can you add RC-filtering to them? Can you change the software such that the system does not reboot? In my experience most of the sensitive lines are status lines. They often can handle a 100 Ohm 50pF filter close to the receiving side of e.g., a reset pulse. I hope my information helps in debugging ESD problems. Please contact me if you would like to discuss this further. David Pommerenke David Pommerenke=20 Associate Professor EMC laboratory 118 EECH - University Missouri Rolla, Rolla, MO, 65409 573 341 4531 - pommerenke@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Erin.McPhalen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:45 AM To: Pradeep.RSA@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ESD on USB Connector Shield Hi Pradeep I can probably help with question 1. ESD is a very violent event. The spectral density starts from near DC and=20 begins decaying at about -20dB/decade at 3 MHz to 300 MHz and -40=20 dB/decade after that. That being said, the standard DC current flow model=20 is not applied to the paths the discharge takes. In addition the waveform=20 will take all paths including parasitics to get to ground, the issue is=20 the difference in impedance between your intended path and all available paths. The issue occurs when the high frequency content is not finding=20 your braided ground the only available path or even significantly lower=20 impedance compared to all other available paths.=20 The discharge can cause significant potential between points on your=20 chassis if it is metal(including across mounting points to the PCB) or=20 across your PCB structure. I have also seen the electric/magnetic field=20 created by an ESD discharge at the contact point and/or moving through a=20 ground wire, influence other components near it. I am not sure the=20 discharge is coupling to your USB lines directly but likely taking an=20 unintended path through your PCB. Differential scope probes are very=20 handy in checking what signals are being perturbed by the ESD discharge=20 and decide on a solution from there.=20 Erin McPhalen THIS COMMUNICATION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH=20 IT IS ADDRESSED. 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Our=20 requirement is +/-4KV Contact discharge. Query 1 I have grounded (earthed) the connector shield and there is a proper=20 isolation between the shield and the Board ground (Digital ground). When the ESD pulse is applied on the connector shield, our system restarts. I tried connecting TVS between the USB data lines, VBUS& DGND to Mains=20 EARTH (Ground). Even after this modification the system restarts (fails in=20 ESD) I understand if the shield is properly connected to the Earth then the ESD=20 pulse should not couple to the USB signals.But this is not happening in=20 our case. Why is this so? And even if it gets coupled to the USB lines,=20 the TVS should bypass it to EARTH. Why is this not happening? Note: I had used a thick Multistrand wire for Earth connection. Query 2 On analyzing the USB connector, i found that the metal in the middle of=20 the USB connector is floating and is not connected to the shield. This=20 gets connected to the shield only when an USB Type A plug is connected.If=20 the ESD pulse is applied on this middle metal plate the system restarts=20 immediately. Why is this metal (middle one) not connected to the shield of the USB=20 connector? Why does the system restarts when an ESD pulse is applied on=20 it? 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