Fareed,=20 =09 As Giancarlo said you can use a field solver to calculate the impedance and you will get pretty accurate results. I personally like to use the tools from Applied Simulation Technology but I do know that Ansoft and Polar also make fine tools. If you do not have access to a field solver then your bare board manufacture should be able to help you out with these calculations. However, if you just need some basic formulas and basic knowledge related to different transmission line stackups then you should start with the IPC specifications. Try IPC-2221 "Generic Standard on Printed Circuit Design" and go to the section titled Impedance Controls. The stackup you are referring to is called Dual (Asymmetric) Stripline. This is similar to the Stripline stackup except that one or more conductor layers are asymmetrically located between the two reference planes. Asymmetric Stripline is when a layer of circuitry is placed between two ground (or power) layers, but is not centered between them. In this case the stripline equations must be modified to account for the increased coupling between the circuit and the nearest plane, since this is more significant than the weakened coupling to the distant plane. Dual-Strip transmission line (which probably resembles your example the most) closely approximates a stripline except that there are two signal layers between the ground (or power) planes. The circuits on one layer are generally orthogonal to those on the other to keep crosstalk between layers to a minimum. You should check out the specific formulas in the IPC-2221 Specification that pertain to the Dual Stripline impedance. I think this is a good starting place. If you do not have access to a copy of this IPC Specification then you can go online and purchase a copy (www.ipc.org). Thanks Tony Cosentino PCB Design Engineer Tekelec - USA 919-460-3656 office 919-466-3031 fax tony.cosentino@xxxxxxxxxxx www.tekelec.com -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of farid syed Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:23 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Calculating the Z0 of a trace=20 Dear all, I am new to PCB design and i have a few doubts as listed below =20 1. I have a board with the stack up S G S S P G S S P S if i want to find the Z0 of a trace on the 4th layer then how do i do it?=20 2. is that type called a stripline, i have read that stipline is a trace bounded by ground planes on either side. and microstrip is the one with ground on one side and air on the other. what is the type of trace on the 4th layer of my board?=20 3. I have been through Dr. howard jhonson's handbook where crosstalk is calculated as =3D k/1+(d/h)^2 what is K and when we get a number as a result of the calculation how to use that number in determining the crosstalk or use it for our purpose. =20 =20 can anybody please help/guide me thanks in advance warm regards Fareed=20 Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu