Hi Vinod, It doesn't matter if the data eye is closed due to just phase variations. The data signal still has transitions even if SJ is more than 1UI and CDR can take those transitions and recover the clock. If the eye closure was due to ISI or other amplitude noise, that's a different story. The tolerable amplitude of SJ is like this: Let's say the loop feedback gain of your CDR is unity and the loop transmission is G(s), then the transfer function of the CDR is Phi_clk/Phi_data = G(s)/(1+G(s)). Thus, the transfer function of your overall Rx block will be (Phi_clk-Phi_data)/Phi_data = 1- (Phi_clk/Phi_data) = 1/(1+G(s)). Based on the above equation, Phi_data(max) = (1+G(s))(Phi_data-Phi_clk) = (1+G(s))*2*pi*(1-T_delta) = (1+G(s))*(1-T_delta) in UI unit, where T_delta is the untracked jitter from CDR. Keep in mind here that the G(s) includes gains from a phase detector and an integrator with LPF, hence the amplitude of Phi_data(max) can be more than 1UI at very low frequencies. Best Regards, TK -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of vinod ah Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:39 PM To: SI-LIST Subject: [SI-LIST] CDR with SJ > 1UI Hi, I have a basic query on serial data analysis. I am working on 5Gbps serial link where Rx jitter tolerance test states that at 100KHz SJ with 200% UI amplitude, we should meet BER of 1 in 10^-12. But the part i am not able to understand is with 2UI Jitter, how will the eye be opened as 2UI jitter means that the edge of data is shifted by an amount greater than 1UI which means the eye is closed !!. I am not sure how CDR circuits can recover clock with this much jitter as it might easily fall out of the loop bandwidth. Can serial data experts help me out in understanding the concept of eye opening with jitter > 1UI and how CDR circuits work with such high jitter? I went several articles on google, but for some reason was not able to find a convincing answer. Regards Vinod A H ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu