I guess that's what I'm asking. I always used either OFA or OVC. Loved OVC BTW, quick turn around. We "lost" OVC. Surfing the web today, looking at someone's dog I learned (news to me) that as far as A stamps there are 3 levels of passing scores for elbows: a1, "normal", a2 "fast normal" and a3 "acceptable for breeding". But I can't find a comparison to OFA's elbow scores. Does anybody know what would cause a dog's elbow scores to be bumped to an a2 or a3? I am guessing DJD (can't imagine any of the more serious elbow conditions getting any sort of passing rating, but I could be wrong). I WOULD use a dog w/ DJD1 BTW and have. I have sent some lovely pics to OFA over the years that have come back w/ DJD1. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 11/21/2012 10:49:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, destinogs1@xxxxxxx writes: In my opinion, the only elbow rating that is acceptable is Normal. I have not seen an SV rating of elbows that specifies DJD. I personally would not consider a dog for breeding that did not have Normal elbows. The hip rating is another story. I will use a dog with Fast Normal for hips. Mary ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================