has she done any serious straining....my vet said after 30 minutes of SERIOUS straining, C-sect may be needed....i just went thru this with a single puppy.....what alerted me to the fact it might be necessary was that after her temp dropped to 99 for a day, then it suddenly went back up to 101....she was still eating that morning of C-sect but just a light feeding in the early am....my bitch kept straining with no movement of puppy ....vet said lucky we did a c-sect as puppy was huge....natalie Cloverleife Hill Kennels http://www.cloverleife.com/ CH Cloverleife's Dimples - CH Carmil's Amadeus V Windywood - CH Cloverleife's Cappuccino - CH Cloverleife's Firecracker - ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================