In a message dated 12/28/2004 6:53:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Danannkennel@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 12/27/2004 11:56:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, lfossland@xxxxxxxx writes: I personally do not rely on the progesterone tests much anymore. If it' +++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have just run a series of progesterone test for the first time ever. I did it because my bitch is a maiden, the stud dog I am going to is very aggressive ( you bring them and he breeds them) and I had Xmas right in the middle of everything. What have I found out? That the tests verified what my own dogs noses and my own experience told me- she is ready now and I am going today. Unless there are unusual circumstances I doubt I will spend the money again. I don't think it is necessary to routinely do this. I learned my lesson. JR's first breeding and his "date" had never had puppies. The bitch owner and myself wanted to do all we could to make this happen, so I had her early and was grooming her before taking her to the reproductive guru for blood work/smears/timing tests so that he'd have an early borderline reading. She was on the table in the garage, he was loose on the floor flirting. When I lifted her off the table, he wanted to breed her. Now, I was warned this gal could be "difficult" but instead she was impatient with is flirting and I swear if she'd had hands she would have reached back and helped <G>. So, I'm thinking, let him play, he's green, new at this and when he gets close she'll eventually say "no" because it's WAY early. Nope, tied, EASY and on day THREE! So, I get to the appointment late, apologize, say what happened and end up with "but it's way early and he's green and doesn't know any better". The next AM the office called w/ the results and the fellow laughingly told me the dogs got it right. Now, that's fine and dandy IF you have a dog who will tell you at home, but if you don't, when you're driving/shipping and/or implanting, a little insurance couldn't hurt I suppose.... Kathy visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================