Yes, but I think it's broader than that. There are judges who are looking for their next assignment or who can "do" for them later on down the road when they point to their winner... If you can hang in long enough to know who-is-who before going broke, you have a long future in dogs shows. And please, spare me the Pollyanna. There are some darned good judges out there, some fair and ethical judges who call it as they see it no matter who is on the end of the leash or who is outside of the ring. And honestly, I think these judges are in the majority. There are many good "dog people" I admire and I will drive hours for their opinion of a dog I like well enough to keep and campaign. But...there are all breed wins that are predicable according to who is showing and specialty wins decided before entries close. And if you say there aren't I have a bridge to sell <G>. I do my fair share of winning, I know about bringing judges dogs they may like, I study who puts up what and what they may prefer, I know about having dogs in top condition, I don't need anyone to tell me when a dog is mature...and I'm getting better about keeping my dogs out of trouble... and when something fishy goes on, I know to stay away next time. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 4/28/2011 1:08:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx writes: The topic of should judges be allowed to show dogs came up at the seminar Guzman gave for the Grand Canyon GSD. The vote from the audience was that Yes they should because there are so many judges that show dogs and entries would fall if they were not allowed to show. Maybe what the AKC should do is limit the number of judges for each breed. Lets face it when picking judges these days it is always Who will draw? QUESTION : Do you guys think that judges being allowed to show dogs in the breed that they judge has lowered entries in that breed? We talk about the "politics "of showing dogs, does this have anything to do with it? Do you think that being a judge increases your chances of winning at dog shows? Terry ________________________________ From: Kathy Potter <tokaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 9:51:32 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Can the GSDCA President show dogs at our National? Just a thought here folks.....it seems to me that you would eliminate MANY active exhibitors from entering. You all know the rule of unintended consequences. -----Original Message----- >From: Mike & Shiela Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Apr 28, 2011 12:38 PM >To: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx >Cc: cunninghamarie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, wjbj2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, >VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx >Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Can the GSDCA President show dogs at our National? > >Should this apply to board, committee members too? > > > >On 4/28/2011 11:19 AM, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx wrote: >> Good point Ken. At a time when ethics are constantly scrutinized I too >> feel any appearance of impropriety should be avoided. So no, the GSDCA >> president should not walk in that gray area. >> >> Molly >> >> Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 >> Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, lifetime member CKC >> "Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light" >> >> In a message dated 4/28/2011 7:59:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> cunninghamarie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: >> >> I will point this out one more time. 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