In a message dated 3/20/2005 8:15:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: I have not, however been to Italy. I have. The pizza is nothing to write home about. Chicago does their thing with all that "deep crust", baked in a pie pan stuff, which is fine if you like a lot of bread, but it's not really "pizza", it's more like "tomato pie" that Italian grandmoms used to make on Friday nights w/ the fresh tomatoes from the garden baked over top of a thick dough with nothing more than fresh basil and a little salt. You needed thick dough for that to sop up all the juice from the fresh tomatoes. (It was a traditional Friday thing because you couldn't eat meat on Friday and little children have a tendency to hate fish especially the way Italian grandmoms made it...it takes a while to learn to like salt cod and squid...<G>, so a big pan of tomato pie was just the ticket to fill empty bellies.) I've been to California too, and for my money, the best "pizza" comes from the authentic old-time hand built stone pizza ovens in New York and South Philly. IMO, if you don't have the oven, the crust just isn't the same and there aren't a lot of these ovens left:) Also, for my money, the best bastardization of pizza is something the French do called Pissaladiere, which is paper thin crust baked directly on the stones of a hot bread oven with nothing more than thinly sliced onions, a little garlic, the best olive oil a few anchovy fillets, some nicoise olives with freshly ground black pepper. (No cheese because of the salt in the anchovies.) So good, the dogs don't get the crust! Kathy visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================