Again, we know little or nothing about the folks who posed the question, unless someone on this list has heard of these specific circumstances. Heck he didn't even advise contacting the breeder. Fox didn't even mention the two or three most likely causes. I typically rely on a few other folks to get me sense of the issues going on in Germany, one of those comments comes to mind. There appears to be movement in Germany to move to a 2 year hip certification from the 1 year, since there has been a breed-wide increase in the incidence of dysplasia. Secondly, the dogs that leave Germany must be approved for export and trust me there not letting the good ones go(at least in their minds). So even tho we are seeing some interesting animals of late, please consider the question of why they were allowed to leave. M ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, ALL4MORIAH@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 3:51:49 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] was Dr Fox/ age of dogs? If I read the initial post correctly we don't even know the ages of the 2 dogs w/ issues, do we? My Aunt had a GSD that lived to be over 14. To this day she'll tell you the dog was PTS from "dysplasia". Really? What about arthritis in old age? Or a spine issue? or even DM? Lord knows the dog wasn't x-rayed and the "bad" happened well into old age...I'd bet the ranch it wasn't dysplasia but you'll never convince my Aunt of that. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================