In a message dated 11/15/2005 1:35:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxx writes: We need to work hard to make sure we do not allow this to happen to our GSD's by making the SAME excuses!! I am not talking about Politically correct, Legislation, Education nor training.....nor as I saw posted...this is not about "Petey in The Little Rascals" and being "a part of OUR History" or how pretty the red ones are. I am talking about right & wrong and what is important! We're talking about a specific Breed consistently mauling and killing kids!! It isn't pretty, it isn't Petey, and I don't want that to be part of our History..... JMHO also. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx Carolyn, As usual, you hit the nail on the head. "We" make excuses. At a vet's "harvest party" (don't ask, way too many "pumpkin" thinks to eat, lol), the topic came up re a 4 year old boxer. Raised by a family, bit it's young mistress who had tripped over her. The family gave up the dog and the pervasive sentiment from the doggy people at the party was that the dog had an excuse. I couldn't believe my ears. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. I had a call from a family, now looking for a pup who had given up their six year old golden after the dog snapped at their 16 month old baby. A GSD breeder friend of mine wondered at the "other" side of the story. THERE IS NO "OTHER SIDE" OF THE STORY. I'm not for leaving children unattended and I'm certainly not for allowing children to torment a dog, but I trip over dogs...daily. I have a nephew under two and naturally he makes a grab for whatever dog he's playing with (we take collars off!), but he'll reach for an ear, pull a tail, grab a handful of hair and the dogs adore him...would walk thru the gates of HELL for him. At 16 moths children are just starting to toddle, certainly the dog could get "away to safety", lol, but you can't keep the dogs away. They love him! I wouldn't FEED a dog who bit a child, and yet others look for the excuse, want the "other side". It all starts with excuses... Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================