I have to put my two cents in about buying/showing/finishing puppies. When you buy a puppy, I think it's a crap shoot--sometimes they turn out, sometimes they don't. Do you really think a reputable breeder will sell you something for "show" that isn't show quality? THAT breeder's name is on the pup's registered name! However, good intentions don't always work out. I have bought many dogs from reputable breeders that have not, for one reaon or another, ended up "champion quality". I have placed those or given them back to their breeders. I have learned through the years that this has happened to MANY people, not just me. Why get mad? (I used to do THAT all the time--LOL). It doesn't do any good. Right now, I have a group of dogs that will rival the quality of Punky, The Kid and Ketchy--I'm excited about this. The glass is half full. Penny in NY ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================