We've been discussing the Los Angeles proposal (has it already passed?) to outlaw docking, cropping, debarking,and removal of dewclaws, etc....and one girl said she saw nothing wrong with it........ which led to someone sharing this information. It's frightening! And if it passes there, will North America be far behind? I'm waiting for permission to share some comments about what's going on in Ontario (Canada)...also very frightening. Peggy Are you aware that the European Council (made up of 39 European countries) is advocating some far-reaching breed laws. Among them are: 1.. set maximum and minimum values for height or weight of very large or very small dogs, respectively, to avoid skeleton and joint disorders (e.g. dysphasia of hip joints or elbows, fractures, luxation of elbow or patella, persistent fontanella) and collapse of tracheas. 2.. set maximum values for the proportion between length and height of short legged dogs (e.g. Bassethound, Dachshund) to avoid disorders of the vertebral column. 3.. set limits to the shortness of skull, respectively nose, so that breathing difficulties and blockage of lachrymal ducts are avoided, as well as disposition to birth difficulties (e.g. Persian cats, Bulldogs, Japan Chin, King Charles Spaniel, Pug, Pekin Palacedog). 4.. prevent the occurrence of; a.. a persistent fontella (e.g. Chihuahua) to avoid brain damages; b.. abnormal positions of legs (e.g. very steep line of hind legs in Chow Chow, Norwegian Buhund, Swedish Lapphund, Finnish Spitz; bowed legs in Bassethound, Pekin Palacedog, Shi Tzu) to avoid difficulties in movement and joint degeneration. c.. abnormal positions of teeth (e.g. brachygnathia in Boxers, Bulldogs, Persian Cats) to avoid difficulties in feeding and caring for the new born. d.. abnormal size and form of eyes or eyelids (e.g. ectropium: Bassethound, Bloodhound, St Bernard). e.. small deep lying eyes with disposition to entropium (e.g. Airedale Terrier, Australian Terrier, Bedlington Terrier, Bullterrier, Bloodhound, Chow Chow, English Toy Terrier, Jagdterrier, Newfoundland, Shar Pei). f.. large protruding eyes (e.g. Boston Terrier, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Dandie Dinmont Terrier, Brussels Griffon, Japan Chin, King Charles Spaniel, Pug, Pekin Palace Dog, Shi Tzu, Tibet Terrier) to avoid irritation, inflammation and degeneration as well as prolapse of eyes. g.. very long ears (e.g. English Cocker Spaniels, Bassethound, Bloodhound) to avoid disposition to injuries. h.. markedly folded skin (e.g. Bassethound, Bulldog, Bloodhound, Pug, Pekin Palacedog, Shar Pei) to avoid eczema's and in the case of furrows around the eyes irritation and inflammation of eyes. 5. Avoid or, if it is not possible to eliminate severe defects, discontinued breeding of: a.. animals carrying semi-lethal factors (e.g. Entlebucher Cattledog); b.. animals carrying recessive defect-genes (e.g. homocygotic Scottish Fold Cat; short legs, vertebral column and tail defects) c.. hairless dogs and cats (lack of protection against sun and chill, disposition to significant reduction of number of teeth, semi-lethal factor) d.. Manx-cat (movement disorder, disposition to vertebral column defects, difficulties in elimination of urine and faeces, semi-lethal factor) e.. cats carrying "dominant white" (significant disposition to deafness); f.. dogs carrying "Merle factor" (significant disposition to deafness and eye disorders, e.g. Blue Merle Collie, Merle Sheltie, Merle Corgi, Merle Bobtail, Tigerdogge, Tigerteckel) Among the breeds listed (besides the 74 specifically listed as demanding that the 'natural tail' be advocated, regardless of research into injuries) are Airedale Terrier, Australian Terrier, Bassethound, Bedlington Terrier, Blue Merle Collie, Bloodhound, Boston Terrier, Boxer, Brussels Griffon, Bullterrier, Bulldog, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Chihuahua, Chow Chow, Dachshund, Dandie Dinmont Terrier, English Cocker Spaniel, English Toy Terrier, Finnish Spitz, Japan Chin, King Charles Spaniel, Merle Corgie, Merle Bobtail (Old English Sheepdog), Newfoundland, Norwegian Buhund, Pekin Palacedog, Persian Cat, Pug, Scottish Fold Cat, Shar Pei, Shi Tzu, St Bernard, Swedish Lapphund, Tibet Terrier. I suspect that you may be a bit more militant about others interferring in what you believe is right for *your* breed when your breed is threatened, as the Dachshund is in the laws being advocated by the European Council. Who will be there to speak out for you if the rest of us have already been silenced? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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