In a message dated 12/16/2005 4:47:30 PM Central Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Very easy answer. Get a better dog. I noticed this too, and was gnashing my teeth at every show. Then I started to show O'Connor. Amazing how it resolved the problems. The judges got smarter, the shows were more fun, the winners were better quality, none of the puppies have missing teeth, and no one is dying any more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think it's wrong to imply that people who see problems within the breed are merely sore losers, and whether you intended it or not, that is exactly what your post does. Despite the news that you are winning with your dog, entries are still slipping, interest in showing dogs is still on the decline, and in my opinion, we still have an increasing general problem with movement in the breed. I am always reluctant to criticize our dogs, and I was disappointed to read Sherry's list of complaints. In fact, I don't think we've done anywhere near that horrible a job of breeding GSDs. However, problems exists and they need to be headed off before there is no way back. In an earlier post, I gave my thoughts on how to improve things in general. If the GSDCA were to make well thought out educational programs available to its membership, that alone would start a trend for improvement. It's a pretty simple thing to look at our own dog and think he or she is perfect, but that only demonstrates how problems are ignored, and that is actually the primary problem. I've spent twenty-five years intensively studying the breed, and I've received quite a few nice compliments for that effort. However, I'll be the first person to say that I still have a lot to learn. I could be wrong though. Perhaps the majority of the fancy already knows everything there is to know about the breed? If that is the case, then the idea of offering educational programs would be a total waste of time. I'd wager that isn't the case though. As the majority of us learn not only what a GSD is supposed to be, but why and how all of those pieces fit together to make such a wonderful breed, quality will improve where improvement is needed, and less than knowledgable or less than sincere judges will be at home on the weekends. Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================