[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V4 #1103
- From: Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:50:30 EST
In a message dated 3/3/2007 1:36:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, Showgsd-
Msg: #5 in digest
Subject: Re: Fault-Free-Yeah Right!!!
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:35:33 -0500
From: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx
I have been breeding for over 30 years, and realistically, I know most people
will not willingly give up the goods on their studs, unless you ask them
directly because you are breeding a bitch to their boy....and then you get the
lovely ones, whom I will not mention names of, but who will say " Not that I
know
of ...." and so you breed to them, and lo and behold you get the very fault
you were trying to avoid...and of course then the answer is " I never have had
this happen before, you are the first one" and then upon further chatter with
others who have had the same thing happen, LONG BEFORE you even bred to the
dog, and you were told that the stud owner most definately DID know about the
fault, and lied to you! I have had this hapen to me personally, and have seen
it
happen to clients and friends....I don't need advice on how to breed my bitch
or pick a stud, I do know what i am doing...I just saw the list of sires who
dont carry the coat gene (which by the way might not b
e a selling point if you have a close coated bitch and actually want to breed
to a male who carries the coat gene or is coated...whether a male carries the
coat gene would only concern me if I was breeding a coated bitch or a very
close coated bitch, like my Roxy years ago for anyone who remembers her)
anyway,
I saw the list and thought "wouldnt it be nice if we could do this on a wider
basis". I have my own list of what I know, and do my homework before
breeding, and know exactly what I am looking to get or avoid when I breed a
bitch. A
list was just an idea to make the search for a stud easier and quicker....it is
so very interesting that a suprising number are either threatened or offended
by the thought of such a thing! As for a sire who produces a small number of
puppies with a particular fault, that is called luck! With the simple genes,
not the complex ones with varying factors and mutations etc... but the simple
ones like coat and missing teeth...either you carry it
or you dont. There is no such thing as a male who carries "a light coat
factor", because he has only produced a handful of coats...the percentages on
genetics are based on 100 puppies out of the same combination, and usually it
works
out about right if you have a nice big litter, but it is possible to breed a
male to a coat and get 10 pups with no coats and then assume he does not carry
it,and then repeat it and get all coats! It has happened...unless you have
either 100 puppies out of the same sire and dam, or the marker is identified
and
tested for, you cannot be 100% certain anyway. So if a male has thrown a few
coats out of 10 litters, or had a few missing teeth in a few litters, all it
means is he carries it and you have been either lucky, or most of the bitches
he was bred to did not carry it. If you bred him to 10 bitches who all had
missing teeth, or you knew carried it, you would get missing teeth in all of
the
litters. I am totally not trying to knock any stud he
re....for example, I like Bull Durham, and the fact that he throws missing
teeth would not stop me from breeding a bitch to him, but I would not breed my
bitch who is missing a tooth to him.....and I don't care what some people say,
serious breeders who are really trying to get rid of or avoid certain faults
or problems would find such a list useful and would take it seriously...and no,
until the genetic markers have been identified for various faults and tested
for, it would not be the end all and would change as time goes on and a dog
that has never produced a coat suddenly produces one, or puppies grow up and
you
realize you did get missing teeth, but it would be a good resource and save
people a lot time when looking for a stud...I dont think information is ever a
bad thing!
Maggie Marshall
Aeval German Shepherds
http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html
updated 03/02/2007
MAGGIE: I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET INFORMATION FROM SOME STUD DOGS
AND FROM SOME BREEDERS ABOUT THEIR FEMALES AND WHAT IS BEHIND THEM...
I HAVE A DOG AT STUD AND IF SOMEONE ASKS ME ABOUT HIM, I REFER THEM
FIRST, TO THE BREEDERS WHO BRED TO HIM, AS HE IS A GERMAN IMPORT AND NOT USED
THAT MUCH, IT IS A SHORT BUT CONVENIENT LIST..SO, .IT MAKES IT EASY....
I SUGGEST THAT THEY CONTACT THE BREEDERS, AND INFORM THEM THEY HAVE MY
PERMISSION AND BLESSING, TO DISCUSS ALL THE PUPS, THE GOOD AND THE BAD, ETC.
ETC. THAT MY STUD DOG PRODUCED WITH THEIR FEMALE , AND ANY ISSUES...THEN I
SUGGEST THEY CONTACT ME AGAIN, IF STILL INTERESTED, AND WE CAN GO FURTHER...
BUT FIRST THEY HAVE HEARD FROM THE BREEDER WHO WHELPED AND RAISED AND
SOLD THE LITTER , AND HAS MORE CONTACT WITH THEM, THAN I USUALLY HAVE, ALTHOUGH
I
TRY MY BEST...
THEN WE CAN GO FROM, THAT POINT, FORWARD , AND WE CAN DISCUSS EVERYTHING
ON A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL INVOLVED... ..
RATHER THAN THEY JUST HAVE MY OPINION OF MY DOG, WHOM I ADORE AND HAVE
ACTUAL PHOTOS OF HIM WALKING ON WATER!!! ( LOL) BARB WILLIAMS
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