You are right Barb about the town of Yoncalla,BUT!! VERY WRONG ABOUT ARDYCE BEING MIKE'S BREEDER. I bought Mike's mother ( Collette) at 7 months from a co-worker for $45.00. Located Ardyce Shively 6 months later and made a deal with her to breed Colette to Mr. America. Ardyce got pick of the litter. She took a bitch from that breeding for the stud service. I did not have a kennel name at the time,so Ardyce offered to let me regester Mike with her kennel name. ---Bob Freeny Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx wrote: Sorry about that!!!!!!!!!!! I had Yoncalla and Ardyce in mind and of course, I know you were the Breeder of Mike!!! DUH!!!! on my part!! LOL!!! I guess I was thinking of Mike's Sire.".Yoncalla's Mr. America" as being bred and owned by Ardyce.. and of course I recall, Mike's Dam, Collette too!! She was from Von Schrief..lines..as was My Ch. Santana's Man O' War ROM was also... thru Ch. Von Schrief's Portrait ROM... and I remember Mike's brother also, Ch. Winterzeit's Big Boy?? Right?? Those Dam's lines went back to the Great 'BIG IMP' Ch. Arno of Bervic!!!! Ruth Schriefer's Pride and Joy.and her Belgard's Roguetta ROM by Ronnie of Mi-Noah's who was killed early in his life, in a cyclone that truck the kennels that were in the Barn on Noah Bloomer's ( Mi-Noah Shepherds) property.and with the loss of Ronnie, the OUTSTANDING young Son of his Grand Victor Ch. Alert of Mi-Noahs ROM, that took the heart out of Noah, as I was told and ended his Shepherd breeding for all practical purposes.. .. That was a trip down Memory Lane!!! I wish we had those Shepherds today!!! I think the bloodlines clearly illustrate and bring up the subject of the INVALUABLE DAM LINES that are so often overlooked and go unheralded in ads etc.. granting most of the attention to the Sires...Makes us all take a look back and think about how it all came to pass..Best!! barb ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================