There are many behavioral characteristics that are clearly inherited, and, because of the short lives of dogs, can be seen in one human generation. One that I observed was that, when excited or very happy, my bitch and a grandchild who was never near her clacked their jaws - a rapid opening and closing of their mouths, like chattering when cold. I never saw any other sheps do this, but I found out that many dogs with Hessian blood lines did this. I have also seen gun shy/storm shy in certain blood lines. The bitch who owns me shows many of the character traits of her father. More is inherited than just the structure and coat colors in our dogs. That's where their protective nature, intelligence, desire to please compared to other breeds comes from. That's why they aren't Labrador Retrievers. Elaine Diane I agree with you 100% on your very clever and well worded assessment. When we get a "looney" in for conditioning/training I call it "a glich in the microchip", lol. We believe wholeheartedly that temperament, is as genetic as coat color or size. You can mask , through training, insanity and to a degree, cowardice...which is a HUGE pet peeve of mine, but you can never truly make that dog sound. Likewise, a dog can go through Hell and back , and come back to normalcy. Your post was very well done. Kathy Tank >>>>>>>>> > > If the good ones come from the factory good... then it stands to reason > that the ones with "issues" come with the "issues" installed. Lack of > confidence is installed at the factory. Crazy is installed at the factory. > .......Diane > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================