From: ORSuite@xxxxxxx Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:17:52 EST Subject: Re: 16 in Litter About 12 yrs ago, I had a bitch who gave me 13 on her first litter(she was 85 lbs) 11 survived. That seemed normal to me, then, as I was getting back into breeding after several years of not doing the "puppy thing". Not so sure about only big bitches giving large litters. My first GSD litter of 13 was out of a bitch who was 60 lbs. soaking wet. All pups were hale and hearty and she had no problems whelping. Totally different bloodlines of what we have today. Old Longworth, etc. Then another bitch (also about 60 lbs) whelped a litter in 1968 and had 12 pups. All 3 stillborn were solid black bitches. The firstborn, a solid black male and her sables and bi's were fine. It isn't the size of the bitch that determines size and health of a litter, it's her genetics, IMO. *\|/* *\|/* Ellen *\|/* *\|/* ***From w.NY*** http://www.geocities.com/jeenellyn33/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================