Hey Y'all, I got me a super soaker.........one that shoots a gazillion feet! I tell them to HUSH once.........and I cock that baby. IF they bark again.........I go out shooting, MAKE MY DAY! If yours don't mind the water, add a little lemon juice or apple cider vinegar. Mo > Maybe Ginger, but I would certainly try training first. This is one dog > not a group like what you deal with. Training is less invasive than any > surgery. I think the dog is a living being and to assume they don't know > the difference is kind of mean and doesn't give them the credit they > deserve. I am not saying one way or the other what to do, but I too have > known many shelties and collies debarked and by the look on their face and > the sound they make, it does bother them. And I know shelties and collies > that it never bothered. And I have known sheltie breeders who train their > dogs from the get go and ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================