In a message dated 12/17/2004 3:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Danannkennel writes: In a message dated 12/17/2004 2:26:56 PM Central Standard Time, EllenH33@xxxxxxx writes: Marci, you are soooooo right. Your statement saved me having to explain it. The schutzhund protection phase is a test to see if the dog is capable of protection and most dogs consider it a 'game' because they're not stupid. They easily distinguish the difference between this game and the real thing. It doesn't make for a crazy, out-of-control biter. Quite the contrary. Much obedience training and control goes along with the training. ++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sure you are both correct unfortunately in this area there are a lot of know it all trainers who don't know how to train it correctly and so we end up with a lot of dogs who BITE and it is not a game. Sally ********************* Sally, You'll always have these macho people. They're made of the same stuff as those who like dog and cock fighting. We were fortunate enough in our group that most of those who helped us with our dogs were not of this mindset. We avoided those who were. *\|/* *\|/* Ellen *\|/* *\|/* ***From w.NY*** http://www.geocities.com/jeenellyn33 ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================