Another judge wrote the following....=20 "....Personally, I have the handler bring the dog out to me in the = middle of=20 the ring, and I ask that the dog be taken it down and back and once = around and=20 then stop the dog that required distance from me and the handler steps back=20 and no commands and then I approach the dog , talk to him or her on the = approach and I touch them lightly.... and then have the Handler set the = dog up and=20 I go over it. Period... So I am guilty of 'winging it' a bit myself, " Reply: That procedure partially defeats the purpose of the temperament = evaluation. The first approach is the first approach. Once again, what we want to = see is how the dog handles REAL LIFE. How the dog handles a "walk in the = park" with ordinary people approaching him. Strangers do not request you run = your dog before touching or approaching. The importance of this exam is to = be sure the dog is fit for NORMAL EVERYDAY exposure to people. =20 Helen Franklin I was that 'other Judge' who wrote that... You may be right it defeats the 'purpose' I just have a different slant on the 'purpose'... I guess, and the First Approach... Number one the dog is not in the park where there are a lot of people in the park. Meeting them on a casual walk thru. The dog is in the middle of the Show Ring and hopefully they have been trained for a 'normal' response. I do not kid myself one little bit that i am giving that dog a temperament test... I am just seeing if that dog on that day is going to stand in that ring and let me approach him or her ....That's all... Period. and when all is said and done, that's all I have proven.JMO Barb Williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================