Best description of a proper shoulder STANDING I've seen!! If you really want to gage shoulders on the superstars take a straight edge to some of the photos in the Review! Surprise surprise!!! -- Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, and Ch Flash! Website updated 10/05 -------------- Original message -------------- This does not have to be felt; it can be seen, even in a picture, assuming > the dog is free stacked and relaxed, not pulled up nor feet screwed into the > ground. A line from the poll of the neck (just behind the ears ) should > fall right through the point of > shoulder, not behind it. By the same token, a line dropped from the withers should fall right through the > elbow. This is > due to the upper arm forming a 45% angle to the ground, the same as the blade. > > Carolyn > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================